1 00:00:00,210 --> 00:00:03,830 [Music] 2 00:00:10,270 --> 00:00:06,330 foreign 3 00:00:13,249 --> 00:00:10,280 [Music] 4 00:00:16,129 --> 00:00:13,259 they were complex narratives of being 5 00:00:20,230 --> 00:00:16,139 taken by alien beings into UFOs on beams 6 00:00:30,830 --> 00:00:23,090 the Air Force is trying to cover up with 7 00:00:35,810 --> 00:00:33,290 from my own point of view I'm going to 8 00:00:37,549 --> 00:00:35,820 be very disappointed if UFOs turn out to 9 00:00:38,870 --> 00:00:37,559 be nothing more than visit us from 10 00:00:42,410 --> 00:00:38,880 another planet because I think there 11 00:00:42,420 --> 00:00:45,600 foreign 12 00:01:07,789 --> 00:01:05,149 [Music] 13 00:01:09,649 --> 00:01:07,799 hey everyone how's it going welcome back 14 00:01:12,469 --> 00:01:09,659 to disclosure team 15 00:01:14,270 --> 00:01:12,479 I'm really excited for this one 16 00:01:16,310 --> 00:01:14,280 um I've been familiar with this case for 17 00:01:19,070 --> 00:01:16,320 some time but a couple of years ago 18 00:01:22,850 --> 00:01:19,080 seeing the Netflix show Unsolved 19 00:01:26,090 --> 00:01:22,860 Mysteries uh feature this incident it 20 00:01:27,770 --> 00:01:26,100 really kind of opened it up to me and um 21 00:01:29,929 --> 00:01:27,780 I really can't wait to speak to my 22 00:01:31,910 --> 00:01:29,939 guests tonight and all I'm going to say 23 00:01:34,249 --> 00:01:31,920 before we bring him in is as always 24 00:01:35,270 --> 00:01:34,259 please keep the chat cool calm and 25 00:01:37,670 --> 00:01:35,280 collected 26 00:01:40,310 --> 00:01:37,680 please respect everybody's uh voice and 27 00:01:42,410 --> 00:01:40,320 differences of opinion and uh everything 28 00:01:43,850 --> 00:01:42,420 will be all good from there it's good to 29 00:01:45,530 --> 00:01:43,860 see so many of you in the live chat 30 00:01:47,330 --> 00:01:45,540 already if you have any questions 31 00:01:48,830 --> 00:01:47,340 throughout the interview please pop them 32 00:01:50,810 --> 00:01:48,840 in capital letters or if you're feeling 33 00:01:53,270 --> 00:01:50,820 generous super chats are always always 34 00:01:56,749 --> 00:01:53,280 welcome and uh any support that is given 35 00:02:00,170 --> 00:01:56,759 is so so appreciated so thank you guys 36 00:02:01,490 --> 00:02:00,180 let's jump straight into it I uh I want 37 00:02:03,889 --> 00:02:01,500 to get this going straight away because 38 00:02:07,850 --> 00:02:03,899 we've got a lot to cover so please 39 00:02:09,889 --> 00:02:07,860 welcome Tom Reed how are you hey man 40 00:02:11,210 --> 00:02:09,899 thanks for having me buddy oh it's my 41 00:02:12,290 --> 00:02:11,220 pleasure you know I've been sort of 42 00:02:13,910 --> 00:02:12,300 speaking with you briefly in the 43 00:02:15,830 --> 00:02:13,920 background for a little while and and 44 00:02:17,510 --> 00:02:15,840 planning this interview and so yeah I'm 45 00:02:19,309 --> 00:02:17,520 just so glad that the day's here and we 46 00:02:20,630 --> 00:02:19,319 get to have this discussion so yeah I've 47 00:02:22,610 --> 00:02:20,640 been looking forward to it you know it 48 00:02:24,710 --> 00:02:22,620 was kind of a unique thing uh you're in 49 00:02:26,510 --> 00:02:24,720 Sheffield England and our case was in 50 00:02:28,850 --> 00:02:26,520 Sheffield Massachusetts and we have a 51 00:02:31,130 --> 00:02:28,860 common friend with a with Toby and Tim 52 00:02:33,229 --> 00:02:31,140 and and so yeah this is one I was 53 00:02:35,150 --> 00:02:33,239 looking forward to so once again uh yeah 54 00:02:37,309 --> 00:02:35,160 thanks for having me man like I said my 55 00:02:38,930 --> 00:02:37,319 pleasure my pleasure well listen Tom I 56 00:02:41,030 --> 00:02:38,940 guess the the initial thing I'd like to 57 00:02:42,530 --> 00:02:41,040 do is for anybody that's not familiar 58 00:02:46,009 --> 00:02:42,540 with with the case and what actually 59 00:02:47,990 --> 00:02:46,019 happened back in 1969 September and if 60 00:02:49,970 --> 00:02:48,000 you wouldn't mind just starting and sort 61 00:02:50,990 --> 00:02:49,980 of laying out the incident for us to 62 00:02:53,089 --> 00:02:51,000 give us an overview I'd really 63 00:02:55,309 --> 00:02:53,099 appreciate that yeah sure 64 00:02:58,190 --> 00:02:55,319 um I guess the key things are that we uh 65 00:03:00,110 --> 00:02:58,200 we owned a diner and um 66 00:03:01,910 --> 00:03:00,120 the diner itself kind of made history 67 00:03:04,130 --> 00:03:01,920 that's kind of how our case made history 68 00:03:05,869 --> 00:03:04,140 was not through our family so much but 69 00:03:08,030 --> 00:03:05,879 through our diner because that's where 70 00:03:12,050 --> 00:03:08,040 people talked about what they were 71 00:03:14,750 --> 00:03:12,060 seeing and uh but we were diagonally 72 00:03:17,330 --> 00:03:14,760 across the street from a racetrack okay 73 00:03:19,430 --> 00:03:17,340 and this is back in the 60s during the 74 00:03:22,130 --> 00:03:19,440 the race to the moon you know the space 75 00:03:25,610 --> 00:03:22,140 race and all that and so either you were 76 00:03:27,470 --> 00:03:25,620 a farmer or for the most part or you 77 00:03:29,210 --> 00:03:27,480 worked at one of the government-funded 78 00:03:33,050 --> 00:03:29,220 manufacturing facilities like Sprague 79 00:03:34,670 --> 00:03:33,060 electric or GE or command Aerospace or 80 00:03:36,229 --> 00:03:34,680 Pratt Whitney whatever it was and a lot 81 00:03:39,890 --> 00:03:36,239 of people don't realize this either but 82 00:03:41,570 --> 00:03:39,900 uh NASA used to be in Massachusetts I 83 00:03:44,570 --> 00:03:41,580 mean they still are to this day but they 84 00:03:46,789 --> 00:03:44,580 were across the street from MIT and 85 00:03:48,830 --> 00:03:46,799 Boston was only a couple hours away so 86 00:03:52,490 --> 00:03:48,840 you had all this money being funded by 87 00:03:54,470 --> 00:03:52,500 the US government to NASA to other 88 00:03:57,410 --> 00:03:54,480 manufacturing facilities in and around 89 00:04:00,530 --> 00:03:57,420 the Berkshires where our diner sat 90 00:04:02,390 --> 00:04:00,540 um to make all these capacitors whatever 91 00:04:05,089 --> 00:04:02,400 it was that the government needed to 92 00:04:07,369 --> 00:04:05,099 beat Russia to the Moon okay 93 00:04:08,750 --> 00:04:07,379 and because the racetrack was diagonally 94 00:04:10,610 --> 00:04:08,760 across the street a lot of those people 95 00:04:12,170 --> 00:04:10,620 ate in our diner that worked on the 96 00:04:13,789 --> 00:04:12,180 Goodwill message that was left on the 97 00:04:16,069 --> 00:04:13,799 moon and or 98 00:04:18,229 --> 00:04:16,079 worked in and around the Space Race So 99 00:04:20,330 --> 00:04:18,239 when UFOs were seen in the area it was 100 00:04:23,030 --> 00:04:20,340 talked about in our diner because it was 101 00:04:24,409 --> 00:04:23,040 a secret space program so they couldn't 102 00:04:26,510 --> 00:04:24,419 really talk about it while they were 103 00:04:28,490 --> 00:04:26,520 shopping right they it was like kind of 104 00:04:31,310 --> 00:04:28,500 in church right like you know you could 105 00:04:32,689 --> 00:04:31,320 talk about God in church but you're not 106 00:04:35,450 --> 00:04:32,699 going to have a conversation with god 107 00:04:38,870 --> 00:04:35,460 you know in appliances at you know Best 108 00:04:42,050 --> 00:04:38,880 Buy right because right yeah yeah right 109 00:04:44,810 --> 00:04:42,060 so that's kind of was our family's Diner 110 00:04:47,090 --> 00:04:44,820 so in and around this time 111 00:04:49,490 --> 00:04:47,100 um we were uh I was helping my family 112 00:04:51,530 --> 00:04:49,500 close up the diner and there were 113 00:04:54,170 --> 00:04:51,540 already been sightings in the area we 114 00:04:55,969 --> 00:04:54,180 were already privy to some of that but 115 00:04:58,189 --> 00:04:55,979 this particular night was extremely hot 116 00:04:59,930 --> 00:04:58,199 and it was a holiday so a lot of people 117 00:05:02,510 --> 00:04:59,940 were outside barbecues that kind of 118 00:05:05,030 --> 00:05:02,520 thing uh there were parades so a lot of 119 00:05:07,550 --> 00:05:05,040 people saw what we were involved with 120 00:05:09,530 --> 00:05:07,560 that probably wouldn't have seen that if 121 00:05:11,689 --> 00:05:09,540 it wasn't a holiday so all these things 122 00:05:12,590 --> 00:05:11,699 like lined up right so we're leaving a 123 00:05:15,050 --> 00:05:12,600 diner 124 00:05:17,450 --> 00:05:15,060 going through this bridge that everybody 125 00:05:20,330 --> 00:05:17,460 pretty much knows about 126 00:05:22,730 --> 00:05:20,340 when entering the bridge my grandmother 127 00:05:25,730 --> 00:05:22,740 immediately said that there was too much 128 00:05:26,990 --> 00:05:25,740 light for the headlights in our car just 129 00:05:28,850 --> 00:05:27,000 something didn't look right it was all 130 00:05:31,249 --> 00:05:28,860 lit up there was like lights coming 131 00:05:32,990 --> 00:05:31,259 through the planks and the floor if you 132 00:05:34,969 --> 00:05:33,000 would or the you know the bottom of the 133 00:05:38,090 --> 00:05:34,979 bridge sure and so when she came out the 134 00:05:39,409 --> 00:05:38,100 other side she had turned around to say 135 00:05:40,969 --> 00:05:39,419 something to me because I was giving my 136 00:05:42,350 --> 00:05:40,979 brother a candy and stuff and he was too 137 00:05:45,710 --> 00:05:42,360 young she thought he could choke kind of 138 00:05:49,670 --> 00:05:45,720 thing and in doing so she saw this 139 00:05:53,810 --> 00:05:49,680 sphere this white silver whitish type of 140 00:05:55,730 --> 00:05:53,820 sphere that was rising up from the banks 141 00:05:57,110 --> 00:05:55,740 of the river it didn't come out of the 142 00:05:58,670 --> 00:05:57,120 water I don't know where it came from by 143 00:06:00,890 --> 00:05:58,680 the time I saw it it was already higher 144 00:06:04,010 --> 00:06:00,900 than our car right there was another 145 00:06:06,710 --> 00:06:04,020 sphere to our right which was orange and 146 00:06:08,870 --> 00:06:06,720 it looked to be moving on the inside was 147 00:06:12,230 --> 00:06:08,880 like a like a roll to it or something 148 00:06:14,330 --> 00:06:12,240 but we kind of split the two so we had 149 00:06:16,249 --> 00:06:14,340 uh this white sphere which was higher up 150 00:06:18,290 --> 00:06:16,259 and this one that was like orange lower 151 00:06:20,330 --> 00:06:18,300 to the water they were both over water 152 00:06:22,969 --> 00:06:20,340 but one was much higher than the other 153 00:06:24,770 --> 00:06:22,979 as we are going straight this one kind 154 00:06:26,450 --> 00:06:24,780 of went behind a line of trees and kind 155 00:06:27,529 --> 00:06:26,460 of went in the same direction as our car 156 00:06:30,110 --> 00:06:27,539 right 157 00:06:31,430 --> 00:06:30,120 and I I think Ancient Aliens did a 158 00:06:33,830 --> 00:06:31,440 pretty good job on this 159 00:06:34,670 --> 00:06:33,840 um this part of it as did berkshire's 160 00:06:37,309 --> 00:06:34,680 UFO 161 00:06:39,110 --> 00:06:37,319 but what a lot of people leave out is 162 00:06:41,510 --> 00:06:39,120 that there were three objects 163 00:06:43,850 --> 00:06:41,520 so if you watch Ancient Aliens they show 164 00:06:45,469 --> 00:06:43,860 the sphere you know and if you watch 165 00:06:48,770 --> 00:06:45,479 Unsolved Mysteries they show something 166 00:06:51,770 --> 00:06:48,780 different so there were three 167 00:06:53,330 --> 00:06:51,780 and by the time we split those two it 168 00:06:55,370 --> 00:06:53,340 went down this narrow dirt road which 169 00:06:57,290 --> 00:06:55,380 used to be for emergency vehicles and 170 00:07:00,350 --> 00:06:57,300 horse and buggy I mean this is a long 171 00:07:02,330 --> 00:07:00,360 time ago sure my mother found like a 172 00:07:05,390 --> 00:07:02,340 spot to pull over which was near a 173 00:07:07,550 --> 00:07:05,400 telephone pole or the utility trucks had 174 00:07:10,070 --> 00:07:07,560 been just developing this road 175 00:07:12,050 --> 00:07:10,080 and so she pulled off to the right and 176 00:07:13,550 --> 00:07:12,060 as she started to pull off to the right 177 00:07:16,010 --> 00:07:13,560 because we were going to stop and try to 178 00:07:18,110 --> 00:07:16,020 find this white sphere that we had seen 179 00:07:19,670 --> 00:07:18,120 that's what we were looking for 180 00:07:21,890 --> 00:07:19,680 all of a sudden it felt like we were 181 00:07:23,450 --> 00:07:21,900 deep underwater I'll never forget it it 182 00:07:25,670 --> 00:07:23,460 was like you know when you dive into a 183 00:07:27,110 --> 00:07:25,680 pool or you're in a in the ocean or a 184 00:07:29,870 --> 00:07:27,120 lake and you dive to there's this 185 00:07:32,629 --> 00:07:29,880 pressure around your body yeah that's 186 00:07:34,309 --> 00:07:32,639 what we felt and it was like everywhere 187 00:07:36,350 --> 00:07:34,319 it was just like man it was like 188 00:07:38,930 --> 00:07:36,360 restricting and then 189 00:07:40,909 --> 00:07:38,940 you know the sounds of life kind of came 190 00:07:42,830 --> 00:07:40,919 to a stop there was no more Breeze no 191 00:07:45,550 --> 00:07:42,840 more crickets no more 192 00:07:48,950 --> 00:07:45,560 anything you know um You didn't hear any 193 00:07:51,589 --> 00:07:48,960 branches rustling or just dead quiet 194 00:07:55,730 --> 00:07:51,599 very surreal and then it was this flashy 195 00:07:57,290 --> 00:07:55,740 light and you know it it was just the 196 00:07:59,330 --> 00:07:57,300 strain all these things were happening 197 00:08:01,430 --> 00:07:59,340 within like maybe a two minute period 198 00:08:03,230 --> 00:08:01,440 and during that time we were actually 199 00:08:05,570 --> 00:08:03,240 looking out the window so we're feeling 200 00:08:06,950 --> 00:08:05,580 this hearing this tapping sound all 201 00:08:09,050 --> 00:08:06,960 while we're looking out the window and 202 00:08:11,330 --> 00:08:09,060 that's when this saucer type thing came 203 00:08:13,129 --> 00:08:11,340 into the view of us now maybe it was 204 00:08:14,990 --> 00:08:13,139 there all along we didn't see it I don't 205 00:08:17,029 --> 00:08:15,000 know how it got there I just remember 206 00:08:20,330 --> 00:08:17,039 seeing like the front of it was like 207 00:08:22,189 --> 00:08:20,340 emitting like a reddish amber tint on 208 00:08:24,409 --> 00:08:22,199 the top only not the bottom 209 00:08:26,689 --> 00:08:24,419 and it was only on part of it 210 00:08:28,189 --> 00:08:26,699 and this thing actually didn't have like 211 00:08:29,930 --> 00:08:28,199 landing gear I don't remember seeing 212 00:08:32,930 --> 00:08:29,940 windows I don't remember seeing anything 213 00:08:34,130 --> 00:08:32,940 it was just it was about 100 yards in 214 00:08:35,870 --> 00:08:34,140 length 215 00:08:37,610 --> 00:08:35,880 I always thought it was you know pretty 216 00:08:39,829 --> 00:08:37,620 big anyway but when Jan green talked 217 00:08:41,570 --> 00:08:39,839 about it when we you know talked over uh 218 00:08:43,010 --> 00:08:41,580 Unsolved Mysteries she was the same 219 00:08:45,949 --> 00:08:43,020 thing she was so close to it she 220 00:08:47,329 --> 00:08:45,959 couldn't see end to end and so this I've 221 00:08:49,250 --> 00:08:47,339 gone back and I've looked at where the 222 00:08:52,250 --> 00:08:49,260 trees were and it was a good hundred 223 00:08:56,269 --> 00:08:52,260 yards in size this thing was big wow and 224 00:08:58,009 --> 00:08:56,279 it looked like a turtle shell to me you 225 00:09:00,769 --> 00:08:58,019 know as a kid I remember I referenced 226 00:09:02,990 --> 00:09:00,779 things as what how they hit me you know 227 00:09:04,370 --> 00:09:03,000 what I think about when I picture it it 228 00:09:06,949 --> 00:09:04,380 looked like a turtle shell but the side 229 00:09:09,110 --> 00:09:06,959 of it also had like lines in it like um 230 00:09:12,110 --> 00:09:09,120 almost like a snake skin 231 00:09:14,750 --> 00:09:12,120 and the middle of it was a lot wider and 232 00:09:17,030 --> 00:09:14,760 thicker than the top and the bottom so 233 00:09:18,230 --> 00:09:17,040 the middle of it was like this big like 234 00:09:20,870 --> 00:09:18,240 a tire 235 00:09:24,530 --> 00:09:20,880 you know like a tread on it you know 236 00:09:26,050 --> 00:09:24,540 and so it was probably 80 degrees that 237 00:09:27,949 --> 00:09:26,060 night 238 00:09:30,670 --> 00:09:27,959 when it should have been more like 239 00:09:32,930 --> 00:09:30,680 typical weather might have been 45. 240 00:09:35,930 --> 00:09:32,940 super hot night 241 00:09:37,730 --> 00:09:35,940 holiday the windows were open there was 242 00:09:39,650 --> 00:09:37,740 no gleam or reflection on anything 243 00:09:42,110 --> 00:09:39,660 because we didn't have air conditioning 244 00:09:44,210 --> 00:09:42,120 in the car and so now we're in the 245 00:09:46,490 --> 00:09:44,220 middle of three objects so I've had a 246 00:09:49,009 --> 00:09:46,500 lot of time to talk about this and and 247 00:09:51,350 --> 00:09:49,019 try to make sense of what was happening 248 00:09:55,250 --> 00:09:51,360 at the show period of time 249 00:09:57,889 --> 00:09:55,260 so if this picture a clock so this craft 250 00:10:01,970 --> 00:09:57,899 was probably at nine o'clock 251 00:10:04,430 --> 00:10:01,980 the sphere that we saw was around six 252 00:10:08,090 --> 00:10:04,440 o'clock seven o'clock and then the other 253 00:10:11,090 --> 00:10:08,100 one would have been around you know 254 00:10:13,750 --> 00:10:11,100 five o'clock okay so we were in the 255 00:10:16,610 --> 00:10:13,760 middle of three objects that were 256 00:10:19,490 --> 00:10:16,620 maneuvering all at the same time doing 257 00:10:20,930 --> 00:10:19,500 something so we thought you know 258 00:10:23,449 --> 00:10:20,940 afterwards we look back at this that 259 00:10:25,730 --> 00:10:23,459 maybe there was a communication going on 260 00:10:28,490 --> 00:10:25,740 and we were in the middle 261 00:10:31,370 --> 00:10:28,500 of this communication and why we felt 262 00:10:32,990 --> 00:10:31,380 the way we did yeah because again there 263 00:10:35,570 --> 00:10:33,000 was this you heard 264 00:10:38,690 --> 00:10:35,580 like stones hitting uh underneath the 265 00:10:41,389 --> 00:10:38,700 fender wall and then like I said that 266 00:10:44,750 --> 00:10:41,399 pressure and then everything went silent 267 00:10:47,269 --> 00:10:44,760 and then that flashlight and this 268 00:10:49,069 --> 00:10:47,279 eruption of crickets came out of nowhere 269 00:10:53,470 --> 00:10:49,079 and that's the last thing I remember 270 00:10:58,069 --> 00:10:56,030 right but then did you feel like at any 271 00:10:59,990 --> 00:10:58,079 point that you or looking back do you 272 00:11:02,030 --> 00:11:00,000 feel like you'd left the vehicle and 273 00:11:03,410 --> 00:11:02,040 gone somewhere else oh I remember where 274 00:11:04,730 --> 00:11:03,420 I was and everything or at least part of 275 00:11:06,350 --> 00:11:04,740 it you know 276 00:11:08,329 --> 00:11:06,360 um we weren't in the car anymore you 277 00:11:11,210 --> 00:11:08,339 know all all four of us I mean it was my 278 00:11:13,970 --> 00:11:11,220 mother my mother had been driving my 279 00:11:16,310 --> 00:11:13,980 grandmother was in the passenger seat my 280 00:11:19,370 --> 00:11:16,320 younger brother Matthew was to my right 281 00:11:20,930 --> 00:11:19,380 and at the time we were going home we 282 00:11:24,290 --> 00:11:20,940 were like our own conversation we were 283 00:11:26,150 --> 00:11:24,300 talking and then the all these you know 284 00:11:28,430 --> 00:11:26,160 vessels if you will or whatever it was 285 00:11:29,870 --> 00:11:28,440 we were part of kind of just captivated 286 00:11:31,970 --> 00:11:29,880 all of us I don't remember any 287 00:11:33,410 --> 00:11:31,980 conversation after that except all 288 00:11:35,090 --> 00:11:33,420 staring at this thing and I think my mom 289 00:11:37,970 --> 00:11:35,100 said at one time you know what the hell 290 00:11:39,650 --> 00:11:37,980 is that and that was about it and then 291 00:11:41,930 --> 00:11:39,660 everything just went 292 00:11:43,850 --> 00:11:41,940 um almost surreal like uh 293 00:11:45,889 --> 00:11:43,860 you know like we really weren't there 294 00:11:48,290 --> 00:11:45,899 you know almost like it was almost a 295 00:11:49,970 --> 00:11:48,300 dimensional feeling but at the same time 296 00:11:51,470 --> 00:11:49,980 we felt something so if it was 297 00:11:53,389 --> 00:11:51,480 dimensional we wouldn't have felt 298 00:11:55,130 --> 00:11:53,399 something I guess it's confusing as to 299 00:11:57,470 --> 00:11:55,140 what happened because that's why I go 300 00:11:59,810 --> 00:11:57,480 what really happened to us because if it 301 00:12:02,090 --> 00:11:59,820 was something where we were maybe being 302 00:12:04,130 --> 00:12:02,100 in the process of something happening 303 00:12:06,769 --> 00:12:04,140 happening to us to move us somewhere or 304 00:12:08,810 --> 00:12:06,779 however that would be why would you feel 305 00:12:10,970 --> 00:12:08,820 that you know 306 00:12:13,490 --> 00:12:10,980 um and all of us felt it and the next 307 00:12:16,850 --> 00:12:13,500 thing I remember I'm like on a on like a 308 00:12:18,829 --> 00:12:16,860 table type of thing like uh with uh I'm 309 00:12:20,690 --> 00:12:18,839 sitting on something in a large open 310 00:12:22,970 --> 00:12:20,700 area that was much larger than what I 311 00:12:24,710 --> 00:12:22,980 saw and that again that's why I say you 312 00:12:27,769 --> 00:12:24,720 know people say well you're you know 313 00:12:29,810 --> 00:12:27,779 abducted right well I wasn't on the ship 314 00:12:32,569 --> 00:12:29,820 I wasn't on the craft because where I 315 00:12:35,569 --> 00:12:32,579 was was a lot bigger than what I saw 316 00:12:37,610 --> 00:12:35,579 right give me a fit three or four crafts 317 00:12:38,990 --> 00:12:37,620 and where I where I was 318 00:12:41,889 --> 00:12:39,000 and 319 00:12:44,990 --> 00:12:41,899 so I have no idea 320 00:12:46,190 --> 00:12:45,000 I can only surmise I think it was like 321 00:12:48,230 --> 00:12:46,200 um I've said it would look like an 322 00:12:49,730 --> 00:12:48,240 airplane Hangar uh maybe it was 323 00:12:51,530 --> 00:12:49,740 something governmental underground 324 00:12:53,150 --> 00:12:51,540 because there was a Nike missile sized 325 00:12:55,490 --> 00:12:53,160 the Minutemen missile sites you know you 326 00:12:58,730 --> 00:12:55,500 had the NORAD Towers there 327 00:13:00,470 --> 00:12:58,740 you know I where I don't know sure you 328 00:13:03,530 --> 00:13:00,480 know I really don't know where I was you 329 00:13:06,410 --> 00:13:03,540 know but I can say this that I had slid 330 00:13:07,970 --> 00:13:06,420 off and jumped onto the what looked like 331 00:13:09,410 --> 00:13:07,980 an asphalt floor 332 00:13:10,910 --> 00:13:09,420 I don't remember anything other than 333 00:13:12,110 --> 00:13:10,920 that no carpet or anything I just 334 00:13:15,829 --> 00:13:12,120 remember this 335 00:13:18,230 --> 00:13:15,839 blank floor yeah and uh 336 00:13:22,210 --> 00:13:18,240 I was grabbed by my left arm 337 00:13:24,949 --> 00:13:22,220 and it hurt and I was taken out a door 338 00:13:26,269 --> 00:13:24,959 by this individual I don't really 339 00:13:28,250 --> 00:13:26,279 remember what he looked like I just it 340 00:13:30,530 --> 00:13:28,260 was a long time ago I don't remember 341 00:13:32,810 --> 00:13:30,540 um but it hurt it was strong 342 00:13:36,050 --> 00:13:32,820 and then um I was taking down this 343 00:13:39,170 --> 00:13:36,060 hallway with very high walls I'd say 344 00:13:42,230 --> 00:13:39,180 that um you know 12 to 15 foot walls 345 00:13:44,870 --> 00:13:42,240 there everything was white very narrow 346 00:13:46,490 --> 00:13:44,880 at the end of the hallway I was taken to 347 00:13:48,650 --> 00:13:46,500 the left I remember the hallways I don't 348 00:13:50,150 --> 00:13:48,660 remember anything very cool I don't 349 00:13:53,030 --> 00:13:50,160 remember anything it looked very 350 00:13:54,530 --> 00:13:53,040 Elementary very industrial to me and 351 00:13:56,810 --> 00:13:54,540 then when I was brought into this room 352 00:13:57,829 --> 00:13:56,820 off to the right I was to sit on this 353 00:13:59,750 --> 00:13:57,839 table 354 00:14:01,730 --> 00:13:59,760 and the wall in front of me was all like 355 00:14:04,670 --> 00:14:01,740 glass block if you remember glass block 356 00:14:06,889 --> 00:14:04,680 homes had it way back when 357 00:14:09,350 --> 00:14:06,899 um in front of me and it kind of bowed 358 00:14:10,910 --> 00:14:09,360 like a coffee can or something and there 359 00:14:12,769 --> 00:14:10,920 was a pocket to the left and a pocket to 360 00:14:14,449 --> 00:14:12,779 the right where you could go out into 361 00:14:17,810 --> 00:14:14,459 another area 362 00:14:21,110 --> 00:14:17,820 now I was on this table 363 00:14:24,310 --> 00:14:21,120 and looking straight ahead 364 00:14:28,129 --> 00:14:24,320 and that's when I saw what uh yes Theory 365 00:14:30,530 --> 00:14:28,139 had introduced on the show this is what 366 00:14:33,470 --> 00:14:30,540 Omar was holding 367 00:14:36,769 --> 00:14:33,480 and there were two insect looking beans 368 00:14:38,329 --> 00:14:36,779 to my left that had what looked like 369 00:14:41,689 --> 00:14:38,339 bamboo legs 370 00:14:45,769 --> 00:14:41,699 uh very thin bamboo-like arms or limbs 371 00:14:48,290 --> 00:14:45,779 uh the center looked like uh you know 372 00:14:50,210 --> 00:14:48,300 like a whitish gray 373 00:14:51,650 --> 00:14:50,220 um and they were facing a wall so the 374 00:14:53,090 --> 00:14:51,660 two of them were facing a wall they were 375 00:14:55,490 --> 00:14:53,100 only about six eight inches away from 376 00:14:57,230 --> 00:14:55,500 the wall so whatever it was they were 377 00:14:58,970 --> 00:14:57,240 doing they were looking at something in 378 00:15:02,269 --> 00:14:58,980 this space you know 379 00:15:04,790 --> 00:15:02,279 I jumped off the table I was coming in 380 00:15:07,189 --> 00:15:04,800 and I was a one minute I was like 381 00:15:09,170 --> 00:15:07,199 feeling okay then the next minute I was 382 00:15:11,509 --> 00:15:09,180 um anxious and then I was calm again I 383 00:15:13,490 --> 00:15:11,519 was anxious and my emotions were all 384 00:15:15,110 --> 00:15:13,500 over the place and I ran out the right 385 00:15:17,269 --> 00:15:15,120 side of this opening 386 00:15:19,670 --> 00:15:17,279 and I walked in I ran or walked whatever 387 00:15:21,410 --> 00:15:19,680 into this huge open area that was larger 388 00:15:23,629 --> 00:15:21,420 than like an empty Walmart 389 00:15:25,310 --> 00:15:23,639 but it was around the big whole area 390 00:15:26,930 --> 00:15:25,320 looked around and there were three 391 00:15:28,430 --> 00:15:26,940 hallways that came into it there was one 392 00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:28,440 right across the way from me there was 393 00:15:32,629 --> 00:15:30,240 one to the right and it was a wide one 394 00:15:34,910 --> 00:15:32,639 to the left so it looked like a y with 395 00:15:37,670 --> 00:15:34,920 the bottom of the Y being about as wide 396 00:15:39,889 --> 00:15:37,680 as a four-lane road and the other maybe 397 00:15:43,129 --> 00:15:39,899 a single or double lane road 398 00:15:45,470 --> 00:15:43,139 and I was immediately brought back in 399 00:15:48,290 --> 00:15:45,480 I was put on this table 400 00:15:51,769 --> 00:15:48,300 and apparatus came down from the ceiling 401 00:15:54,470 --> 00:15:51,779 it's separated into two parts 402 00:15:56,990 --> 00:15:54,480 where I was sitting Rose I was laying 403 00:16:01,069 --> 00:15:57,000 down they came over me I don't remember 404 00:16:03,230 --> 00:16:01,079 having clothes on at that point 405 00:16:06,050 --> 00:16:03,240 um they were what looked like uh large 406 00:16:08,030 --> 00:16:06,060 packs of raisins 407 00:16:09,110 --> 00:16:08,040 that were affixed to my body on the left 408 00:16:12,350 --> 00:16:09,120 side 409 00:16:18,590 --> 00:16:15,650 you know there was movement there were 410 00:16:19,310 --> 00:16:18,600 other individuals if you were there 411 00:16:25,610 --> 00:16:19,320 um 412 00:16:28,009 --> 00:16:25,620 that I remember being back I could hear 413 00:16:30,650 --> 00:16:28,019 my mother I think it was my mom yelling 414 00:16:31,970 --> 00:16:30,660 family members yelling right 415 00:16:34,730 --> 00:16:31,980 um 416 00:16:35,930 --> 00:16:34,740 I don't remember my brother so much 417 00:16:37,850 --> 00:16:35,940 um although he remembers a lot of 418 00:16:38,930 --> 00:16:37,860 attention to his foot he had a brace on 419 00:16:41,990 --> 00:16:38,940 his leg 420 00:16:45,710 --> 00:16:42,000 okay so that's brought back into the 421 00:16:47,210 --> 00:16:45,720 area the hangar where I first was 422 00:16:48,290 --> 00:16:47,220 and then I remember being back in the 423 00:16:55,189 --> 00:16:48,300 car 424 00:16:56,689 --> 00:16:55,199 we all came two at different times but 425 00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:56,699 what was interesting is my grandmother 426 00:17:01,550 --> 00:16:59,279 was now in the driver's seat 427 00:17:03,470 --> 00:17:01,560 my mother was now in the passenger seat 428 00:17:05,090 --> 00:17:03,480 my brother and I were in the same 429 00:17:07,370 --> 00:17:05,100 positions in the back 430 00:17:09,230 --> 00:17:07,380 the only one who was awake at the time 431 00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:09,240 or the first one to be awake was my 432 00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:10,799 grandmother Marion 433 00:17:14,210 --> 00:17:12,720 and she didn't typically drive you know 434 00:17:16,449 --> 00:17:14,220 back in the days you know they didn't 435 00:17:20,630 --> 00:17:16,459 you know just didn't drive much you know 436 00:17:23,210 --> 00:17:20,640 a license but didn't have a car so now 437 00:17:24,890 --> 00:17:23,220 she's gotta go get help 438 00:17:26,510 --> 00:17:24,900 is the way she wore it I need help you 439 00:17:27,949 --> 00:17:26,520 know my mom's not responding to me the 440 00:17:30,230 --> 00:17:27,959 children aren't waking up I don't know 441 00:17:31,730 --> 00:17:30,240 what just happened so she tries to turn 442 00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:31,740 the station wagon around to go back to 443 00:17:35,210 --> 00:17:32,880 town but there's really nowhere to turn 444 00:17:37,250 --> 00:17:35,220 around it's this narrow dirt road so she 445 00:17:39,289 --> 00:17:37,260 went down a dirt road found a spot went 446 00:17:40,970 --> 00:17:39,299 back to town which probably took about 447 00:17:43,070 --> 00:17:40,980 four or five minutes none of us were 448 00:17:44,510 --> 00:17:43,080 awake yet we were all still out she was 449 00:17:46,970 --> 00:17:44,520 the only one awake 450 00:17:48,409 --> 00:17:46,980 she goes into town and goes flying by 451 00:17:51,110 --> 00:17:48,419 silks which is where she eventually 452 00:17:53,330 --> 00:17:51,120 stopped she missed the entrance went 453 00:17:54,710 --> 00:17:53,340 around pulled back around to Silks to 454 00:17:57,710 --> 00:17:54,720 get out to go in 455 00:18:00,529 --> 00:17:57,720 when she got out I was just coming to 456 00:18:02,330 --> 00:18:00,539 myself and I remember seeing her through 457 00:18:04,610 --> 00:18:02,340 the windshield of the car 458 00:18:06,169 --> 00:18:04,620 as she was about to walk into Silk's 459 00:18:08,270 --> 00:18:06,179 convenience store which was near our 460 00:18:11,270 --> 00:18:08,280 diner right 461 00:18:14,210 --> 00:18:11,280 so she starts to walk up the steps 462 00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:14,220 I get out and I'm yelling nana nana 463 00:18:20,330 --> 00:18:16,320 you know 464 00:18:22,549 --> 00:18:20,340 she goes in I follow her and she walks 465 00:18:24,409 --> 00:18:22,559 right by the clerk and goes to the back 466 00:18:25,610 --> 00:18:24,419 of the store where there were bikes and 467 00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:25,620 strollers and all kinds of different 468 00:18:28,970 --> 00:18:26,880 things 469 00:18:30,350 --> 00:18:28,980 I'm trying to grab her arm I'm calling 470 00:18:33,950 --> 00:18:30,360 her 471 00:18:35,390 --> 00:18:33,960 um you know she uh wasn't really making 472 00:18:37,010 --> 00:18:35,400 any sense I don't know if I was making 473 00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:37,020 any sense the clerk noticed that 474 00:18:42,110 --> 00:18:39,120 something's off 475 00:18:44,510 --> 00:18:42,120 um they talk for a moment but the the 476 00:18:46,730 --> 00:18:44,520 police never showed up the paramedics 477 00:18:49,669 --> 00:18:46,740 never showed up uh 478 00:18:52,970 --> 00:18:49,679 so I guess what I'm trying to say is she 479 00:18:55,250 --> 00:18:52,980 was went there to ask for help but what 480 00:18:57,049 --> 00:18:55,260 do you asked for help for right and by 481 00:19:00,230 --> 00:18:57,059 the time they got involved I think she 482 00:19:01,850 --> 00:19:00,240 felt embarrassed to say what happened 483 00:19:03,770 --> 00:19:01,860 the police we didn't know it at the time 484 00:19:06,350 --> 00:19:03,780 but the police were already out looking 485 00:19:08,330 --> 00:19:06,360 for this object that we had encountered 486 00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:08,340 because it was already one over the 487 00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:09,360 radio 488 00:19:12,890 --> 00:19:11,760 we didn't know it if we had said 489 00:19:15,350 --> 00:19:12,900 something it probably would have made a 490 00:19:17,690 --> 00:19:15,360 big difference but you know and the way 491 00:19:20,330 --> 00:19:17,700 things happened or we were treated later 492 00:19:22,250 --> 00:19:20,340 but it didn't make any sense I mean it 493 00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:22,260 was just like we just I remember 494 00:19:26,450 --> 00:19:24,240 standing there the register the whole 495 00:19:28,010 --> 00:19:26,460 bit just in front of me it was a creepy 496 00:19:31,010 --> 00:19:28,020 feeling because 497 00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:31,020 we were all just kind of you know going 498 00:19:35,029 --> 00:19:33,360 and our heads were like what what just 499 00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:35,039 happened you know we're all 500 00:19:41,390 --> 00:19:37,440 feeling strange about what you know and 501 00:19:44,510 --> 00:19:41,400 and she just sat there and and he never 502 00:19:46,669 --> 00:19:44,520 you know called anyone right no one ever 503 00:19:48,890 --> 00:19:46,679 showed up so we go back out to the car 504 00:19:50,450 --> 00:19:48,900 my mom is now standing in front of one 505 00:19:52,250 --> 00:19:50,460 of the headlights 506 00:19:52,970 --> 00:19:52,260 my brother's still in the back of the 507 00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:52,980 car 508 00:19:56,450 --> 00:19:55,200 we go home 509 00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:56,460 um the next day we had to open up the 510 00:20:01,490 --> 00:19:58,799 restaurant and so when we went in 511 00:20:02,810 --> 00:20:01,500 my mother had a white radio over the you 512 00:20:05,810 --> 00:20:02,820 know over the grill 513 00:20:07,010 --> 00:20:05,820 and uh on there we go bang all these 514 00:20:08,510 --> 00:20:07,020 people were talking about what they saw 515 00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:08,520 that's my grandmother that's my brother 516 00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:10,320 that's my sister you know all these 517 00:20:14,750 --> 00:20:12,000 people had called in were still talking 518 00:20:16,850 --> 00:20:14,760 on the phone uh to the disc jockey at 519 00:20:18,169 --> 00:20:16,860 the time Tom J he was playing some 520 00:20:20,029 --> 00:20:18,179 pre-recorded stuff from the night before 521 00:20:24,169 --> 00:20:20,039 and so we're thinking to ourselves well 522 00:20:25,610 --> 00:20:24,179 maybe if Nana had just talked to him got 523 00:20:27,529 --> 00:20:25,620 to register more 524 00:20:28,909 --> 00:20:27,539 you know things would have been a little 525 00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:28,919 bit different but that's kind of what 526 00:20:32,570 --> 00:20:30,480 happened that night yeah it's 527 00:20:34,010 --> 00:20:32,580 fascinating absolutely fascinating and 528 00:20:35,810 --> 00:20:34,020 between you know the time when you first 529 00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:35,820 came out of the bridge to to where you 530 00:20:39,529 --> 00:20:37,919 ended up at the diner what was the time 531 00:20:42,289 --> 00:20:39,539 period and did you feel like the time 532 00:20:44,570 --> 00:20:42,299 was at all yeah we um 533 00:20:46,430 --> 00:20:44,580 we were um sweeping up putting the 534 00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:46,440 chairs up and we had a jukebox in there 535 00:20:51,409 --> 00:20:48,960 my mom used to throw us quarters and 536 00:20:53,150 --> 00:20:51,419 and listen to music uh my bedtime was 537 00:20:55,850 --> 00:20:53,160 like nine o'clock back in the day so we 538 00:20:57,890 --> 00:20:55,860 were leaving about 8 30. so it had just 539 00:20:59,810 --> 00:20:57,900 gotten Dusk and when we came back my 540 00:21:01,850 --> 00:20:59,820 grandmother got to Silks 541 00:21:03,890 --> 00:21:01,860 um it was close they were closing it was 542 00:21:05,090 --> 00:21:03,900 almost 11 o'clock so it was like two and 543 00:21:07,490 --> 00:21:05,100 a half three hours I mean it was a long 544 00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:07,500 time so that's another thing it wasn't 545 00:21:10,610 --> 00:21:08,880 like this two hour time frame it was 546 00:21:11,810 --> 00:21:10,620 longer than that right and we all came 547 00:21:13,310 --> 00:21:11,820 out of it at different times so that's 548 00:21:16,250 --> 00:21:13,320 something else we talk about it's like 549 00:21:19,490 --> 00:21:16,260 first it was my my grandmother although 550 00:21:21,409 --> 00:21:19,500 she was a smaller woman then myself then 551 00:21:22,669 --> 00:21:21,419 my mother then my younger brother so we 552 00:21:24,289 --> 00:21:22,679 used to think you know or talk to 553 00:21:25,549 --> 00:21:24,299 ourselves or kind of discuss with people 554 00:21:26,990 --> 00:21:25,559 you know what if we were drugged what if 555 00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:27,000 it was a drugging type of thing what if 556 00:21:30,049 --> 00:21:28,320 because my brother goes it was like a 557 00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:30,059 sodium pentathol to me is how he refers 558 00:21:34,130 --> 00:21:32,400 to it and maybe it was something as 559 00:21:35,390 --> 00:21:34,140 basic as that because we all came out of 560 00:21:37,310 --> 00:21:35,400 it at different times and we're also 561 00:21:40,010 --> 00:21:37,320 different sizes right 562 00:21:42,110 --> 00:21:40,020 so that's something we we always thought 563 00:21:44,570 --> 00:21:42,120 there was a government involvement that 564 00:21:46,490 --> 00:21:44,580 we saw something that we shouldn't have 565 00:21:47,570 --> 00:21:46,500 seen we were at the wrong place at the 566 00:21:50,090 --> 00:21:47,580 wrong time 567 00:21:51,770 --> 00:21:50,100 and we witnessed something or we were 568 00:21:54,830 --> 00:21:51,780 affected by something 569 00:21:57,409 --> 00:21:54,840 and then government you know got 570 00:21:59,450 --> 00:21:57,419 involved extracted us somehow 571 00:22:02,270 --> 00:21:59,460 took us somewhere made sure we were okay 572 00:22:05,149 --> 00:22:02,280 whatever that was you know 573 00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:05,159 um or experimented on us or something I 574 00:22:09,409 --> 00:22:06,960 mean we're O Negative which is another 575 00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:09,419 blood type that was tracked by the US 576 00:22:12,890 --> 00:22:10,799 government back in the day because we're 577 00:22:14,570 --> 00:22:12,900 the universal donor we try to find 578 00:22:15,950 --> 00:22:14,580 connections but there are nine of us in 579 00:22:18,409 --> 00:22:15,960 our family that are all Rh negative 580 00:22:20,990 --> 00:22:18,419 which is rare that's really weird quite 581 00:22:23,450 --> 00:22:21,000 honestly that's that's uncommon and uh 582 00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:23,460 so that is something different 583 00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:27,120 you know um it was rural 584 00:22:31,789 --> 00:22:30,240 um was it was was government trying to 585 00:22:33,230 --> 00:22:31,799 fly or work on something that they were 586 00:22:33,950 --> 00:22:33,240 back engineering and we were part of 587 00:22:35,930 --> 00:22:33,960 that 588 00:22:37,789 --> 00:22:35,940 I don't know what the hell happened I 589 00:22:39,529 --> 00:22:37,799 really don't you know all I know is that 590 00:22:41,390 --> 00:22:39,539 we were there 591 00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:41,400 you know I had front row seats for it 592 00:22:47,690 --> 00:22:44,460 yeah and um and if something else I was 593 00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:47,700 on Fox would um you know Fox prime time 594 00:22:53,149 --> 00:22:51,360 yeah and uh something else that those 595 00:22:55,730 --> 00:22:53,159 who truly had an experience that night 596 00:22:58,430 --> 00:22:55,740 have bad eyesight they have this burned 597 00:23:00,110 --> 00:22:58,440 out part of their retina my I've had 598 00:23:00,950 --> 00:23:00,120 five operations on my eyes my eyes are 599 00:23:02,810 --> 00:23:00,960 terrible 600 00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,820 um you know Melanie curtsdorfer who was 601 00:23:07,010 --> 00:23:04,320 part of it she's got the same eye 602 00:23:08,570 --> 00:23:07,020 problem the rare same rare eye problem 603 00:23:10,730 --> 00:23:08,580 that I do 604 00:23:13,850 --> 00:23:10,740 you know and so 605 00:23:15,529 --> 00:23:13,860 that what uh what Melanie went through 606 00:23:17,870 --> 00:23:15,539 and what I went through had the same 607 00:23:20,210 --> 00:23:17,880 effect on us yeah 608 00:23:22,430 --> 00:23:20,220 so I mean it'll taste the picture 609 00:23:24,350 --> 00:23:22,440 doesn't it it paints a really really you 610 00:23:26,029 --> 00:23:24,360 know compelling picture so you know in 611 00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:26,039 the following years how did how much of 612 00:23:29,390 --> 00:23:27,600 an effect or did it play a big part in 613 00:23:31,789 --> 00:23:29,400 your life was it something that you kind 614 00:23:33,890 --> 00:23:31,799 of carried with you or did you kind of 615 00:23:35,210 --> 00:23:33,900 did life get in the way you know talk 616 00:23:36,890 --> 00:23:35,220 talking about what happened that night 617 00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:36,900 still bothers me to this day and 618 00:23:40,669 --> 00:23:39,360 although I act like ah I'd get past it 619 00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:40,679 but every time I talk about it I could 620 00:23:44,510 --> 00:23:41,760 dry mouth 621 00:23:45,770 --> 00:23:44,520 you know but that's understandable but 622 00:23:47,690 --> 00:23:45,780 um if I'm there like when I was there 623 00:23:49,490 --> 00:23:47,700 with yes Theory I was okay at the bridge 624 00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:49,500 I was okay at the Park area but as soon 625 00:23:53,149 --> 00:23:50,400 as I go down the road where the 626 00:23:54,169 --> 00:23:53,159 telephone pole was you know um I don't 627 00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:54,179 do so good 628 00:23:56,750 --> 00:23:55,440 and I don't really know why because 629 00:23:58,490 --> 00:23:56,760 whatever happened when you think about 630 00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:58,500 it didn't happen there that's where we 631 00:24:01,490 --> 00:24:00,000 stopped but for some reason it triggers 632 00:24:04,850 --> 00:24:01,500 something with me 633 00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:04,860 um but I will say that um when uh 634 00:24:11,330 --> 00:24:07,200 you know um 635 00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:11,340 of the 1969 incident was not what caused 636 00:24:15,049 --> 00:24:12,960 the problems for our family it was in 637 00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,059 1967 which made the newspapers and 638 00:24:19,730 --> 00:24:17,520 everything uh 16 we had three episodes 639 00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,740 you know three incidents of or contact 640 00:24:23,450 --> 00:24:21,360 if you will 641 00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:23,460 um 66 was one that was only witnessed by 642 00:24:27,649 --> 00:24:24,799 a handful of people 643 00:24:29,090 --> 00:24:27,659 67 was pretty pretty well known and 644 00:24:30,590 --> 00:24:29,100 that's when the Berkshire Eagle wrote 645 00:24:31,730 --> 00:24:30,600 about it the Sheffield incident and the 646 00:24:33,950 --> 00:24:31,740 Spheres and everything I'm talking about 647 00:24:35,870 --> 00:24:33,960 made the news it's on my website I don't 648 00:24:38,450 --> 00:24:35,880 know if you read that or not yeah 649 00:24:41,090 --> 00:24:38,460 um and uh re-ran it you know 50 years 650 00:24:43,850 --> 00:24:41,100 later but uh 651 00:24:45,770 --> 00:24:43,860 69 kind of put a bow around it because a 652 00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,780 lot of people who were not so nice to us 653 00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:47,520 at the time and giving my mother crap in 654 00:24:50,990 --> 00:24:48,780 the diner and 655 00:24:53,270 --> 00:24:51,000 she was a single mom at the time and she 656 00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:53,280 was 28 29 years old trying to run a 657 00:24:59,870 --> 00:24:56,400 diner and you know guys are guys right 658 00:25:02,090 --> 00:24:59,880 so I think you know you know it is so um 659 00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:02,100 she endured a lot 660 00:25:06,289 --> 00:25:03,600 and um 661 00:25:06,890 --> 00:25:06,299 but at the same time 662 00:25:09,230 --> 00:25:06,900 um 663 00:25:12,169 --> 00:25:09,240 people will realize that this was 664 00:25:14,210 --> 00:25:12,179 actually happening you know and a lot of 665 00:25:17,390 --> 00:25:14,220 people saw this I mean it was over 250 666 00:25:19,610 --> 00:25:17,400 people were witnesses to it I think the 667 00:25:21,890 --> 00:25:19,620 um if I'm not mistaken the craft fouled 668 00:25:24,890 --> 00:25:21,900 the the river the Hudson River 669 00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,900 it actually started in Connecticut went 670 00:25:27,529 --> 00:25:26,640 to Massachusetts Then followed the river 671 00:25:30,649 --> 00:25:27,539 down 672 00:25:32,450 --> 00:25:30,659 and what's interesting that in the 80s 673 00:25:34,850 --> 00:25:32,460 and 90s there was the Hudson River 674 00:25:37,130 --> 00:25:34,860 Valley sightings which also followed the 675 00:25:41,090 --> 00:25:37,140 Housatonic River and also followed the 676 00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:41,100 Hudson right so at that my father later 677 00:25:46,490 --> 00:25:43,919 on became a politician and an attorney 678 00:25:48,350 --> 00:25:46,500 and he was friends with this guy by the 679 00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:48,360 name of Robert bletchman who was also a 680 00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:49,200 lawyer 681 00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,840 and bletchman was putting together a 682 00:25:55,850 --> 00:25:53,760 symposium at the United Nations with 683 00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:55,860 Muhammad Robin who was the president of 684 00:25:59,149 --> 00:25:58,320 the paraps ecology Society at the UN at 685 00:26:01,130 --> 00:25:59,159 the time 686 00:26:03,010 --> 00:26:01,140 and they were revisiting something 687 00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:03,020 called General Assembly 688 00:26:08,510 --> 00:26:06,480 33426 which was this idea of all our 689 00:26:12,529 --> 00:26:08,520 countries sharing information together 690 00:26:16,730 --> 00:26:12,539 with respect to the UFO topic right and 691 00:26:19,250 --> 00:26:16,740 um and so with that bletchman by the way 692 00:26:21,409 --> 00:26:19,260 uh Linda Martin Howe was there 693 00:26:23,390 --> 00:26:21,419 um Stanton frieden was there 694 00:26:26,090 --> 00:26:23,400 um quite a few people I we had no idea 695 00:26:29,330 --> 00:26:26,100 what mufon was or anything else but 696 00:26:31,490 --> 00:26:29,340 Robert was also the uh the director of 697 00:26:34,130 --> 00:26:31,500 public relations for mufon at the time 698 00:26:36,049 --> 00:26:34,140 and so they're like Mr Reed would you 699 00:26:37,370 --> 00:26:36,059 mind if we talked about your Diner or an 700 00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,380 incident because 701 00:26:42,890 --> 00:26:39,600 you know we were part of the Space Race 702 00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:42,900 our incident took place during the space 703 00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:44,460 race and the Goodwill message that was 704 00:26:48,590 --> 00:26:46,320 left on the moon those guys actually who 705 00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,600 worked on actually ate in our diner and 706 00:26:52,250 --> 00:26:50,400 you know my parents so there was that 707 00:26:54,350 --> 00:26:52,260 connection so they thought well he's an 708 00:26:57,409 --> 00:26:54,360 attorney a politician their family had a 709 00:27:00,350 --> 00:26:57,419 very bona fide sighting maybe they'll 710 00:27:02,810 --> 00:27:00,360 allow us to mention that case in support 711 00:27:04,909 --> 00:27:02,820 of the Hudson River Valley sightings 712 00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:04,919 because of his my father's you know 713 00:27:08,930 --> 00:27:06,960 pillar standing if you will it would 714 00:27:12,409 --> 00:27:08,940 carry some weight right on the 715 00:27:14,810 --> 00:27:12,419 anniversary of that meeting my father 716 00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:14,820 lost his life 717 00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:16,799 wow 718 00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,880 sorry to hear that and our attorney who 719 00:27:25,730 --> 00:27:22,559 mentioned it at the U.N 720 00:27:29,330 --> 00:27:25,740 passed about nine months after my father 721 00:27:33,289 --> 00:27:29,340 and then the doctor who looked into my 722 00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:33,299 father's autopsy and everything 723 00:27:39,890 --> 00:27:36,840 he died about a year later so these 724 00:27:42,409 --> 00:27:39,900 there's something 725 00:27:45,230 --> 00:27:42,419 much more here than 726 00:27:48,169 --> 00:27:45,240 than just mentioning what happened right 727 00:27:50,090 --> 00:27:48,179 so something Toby knows and some other 728 00:27:52,490 --> 00:27:50,100 people have very seldom ever written 729 00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,500 about but know about it is that back in 730 00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,720 during the in the 60s during the Space 731 00:27:58,490 --> 00:27:56,880 Race they're making a lot more than just 732 00:28:00,049 --> 00:27:58,500 capacitors right they were making 733 00:28:01,909 --> 00:28:00,059 weapons and everything else so my father 734 00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:01,919 knew a lot about this stuff 735 00:28:05,870 --> 00:28:04,320 and so when he shared that who knows 736 00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:05,880 what was actually said at the UN because 737 00:28:11,450 --> 00:28:08,640 you know I wasn't there right but 738 00:28:12,649 --> 00:28:11,460 something caused my father to lose his 739 00:28:14,390 --> 00:28:12,659 life 740 00:28:17,390 --> 00:28:14,400 and so 741 00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,400 why I'm even talking to you or involved 742 00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:19,919 in a topic isn't because I don't have 743 00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:23,039 anything else to do it's because I want 744 00:28:27,529 --> 00:28:25,380 to pay tribute to my father right he was 745 00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:27,539 not going to lose his life for no reason 746 00:28:31,610 --> 00:28:29,340 for no reason he was 54 years old for 747 00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,620 God's sakes you know sure absolutely 748 00:28:37,070 --> 00:28:33,840 take a case to the United Nations on 749 00:28:38,510 --> 00:28:37,080 October 2nd and your father dies on 750 00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:38,520 October 2nd 751 00:28:43,370 --> 00:28:41,520 who's perfectly healthy at 54 after 752 00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:43,380 divulging a bunch of stuff at the yuan 753 00:28:49,730 --> 00:28:45,900 is that a coincidence you tell me 754 00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:49,740 you know so too convenient yeah no one 755 00:28:51,710 --> 00:28:50,820 in our family believes that was a 756 00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:51,720 coincidence 757 00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,740 you know nobody you have 365 days a year 758 00:28:59,149 --> 00:28:57,360 that you could pass and it happens to be 759 00:29:00,830 --> 00:28:59,159 on the same day you go to the United 760 00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:00,840 Nations and you're talking about 761 00:29:05,870 --> 00:29:03,419 classified stuff that had to do with the 762 00:29:07,789 --> 00:29:05,880 Space Race for God's sakes and UFOs and 763 00:29:08,750 --> 00:29:07,799 everything else back this isn't now it 764 00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:08,760 probably wouldn't have been a big deal 765 00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:12,360 but in but in uh 92 it was you know yeah 766 00:29:17,930 --> 00:29:15,840 awesome question definitely so anyway um 767 00:29:20,090 --> 00:29:17,940 you know that's how I went to the U.N 768 00:29:22,190 --> 00:29:20,100 and that's kind of what we saw but there 769 00:29:24,649 --> 00:29:22,200 was a lot going on in the area I mean 770 00:29:27,649 --> 00:29:24,659 there were crafts that were seen by 771 00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:27,659 children at my school that it was like a 772 00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:29,580 ball of fire it was like a tightly knit 773 00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:31,440 bald like we saw off to the right over 774 00:29:35,450 --> 00:29:33,600 the water came shooting right at a bunch 775 00:29:37,730 --> 00:29:35,460 of classmates we used to go sledding at 776 00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:37,740 this hill near school it took like a 90 777 00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:39,360 degree turn it went down to the road 778 00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,000 went over a home there was a cigar 779 00:29:47,149 --> 00:29:44,880 looking thing I mean this area was 780 00:29:49,210 --> 00:29:47,159 there was so much going on so that's 781 00:29:52,610 --> 00:29:49,220 another thing you know the the 69 event 782 00:29:55,130 --> 00:29:52,620 only made news because it was a holiday 783 00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:55,140 all right all this other stuff people 784 00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:56,880 were seeing too but then you you know 785 00:29:59,570 --> 00:29:58,080 you're on the bus with your the other 786 00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,580 kids and you see that yesterday no he's 787 00:30:02,990 --> 00:30:01,440 crazy and then next thing you know the 788 00:30:04,490 --> 00:30:03,000 bus drivers yelling at the kids to stop 789 00:30:05,810 --> 00:30:04,500 talking then you go to school you draw 790 00:30:07,310 --> 00:30:05,820 something in class you tape it to a 791 00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:07,320 chalkboard some kid rips it up thinking 792 00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:08,340 it's a joke 793 00:30:12,830 --> 00:30:11,220 it was it was just but there were so 794 00:30:15,409 --> 00:30:12,840 many kids were doing this like after 795 00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:15,419 after school right my why do the kids 796 00:30:20,990 --> 00:30:17,760 okay wait I'm gonna back up here sure go 797 00:30:22,850 --> 00:30:21,000 for it all right so this is interesting 798 00:30:24,889 --> 00:30:22,860 too so 799 00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:24,899 a lot of the kids 800 00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:26,580 their parents had to drive them to 801 00:30:29,870 --> 00:30:28,559 school because again this is a farming 802 00:30:31,310 --> 00:30:29,880 Community right you're talking about the 803 00:30:33,529 --> 00:30:31,320 clothes you can have a house and the 804 00:30:35,210 --> 00:30:33,539 closest house to you might be uh eighth 805 00:30:37,610 --> 00:30:35,220 of a mile down the road right because 806 00:30:40,010 --> 00:30:37,620 you've got all this corn and steer and 807 00:30:41,870 --> 00:30:40,020 barns and tractors right so the bus 808 00:30:44,269 --> 00:30:41,880 isn't going to go to everyone's home 809 00:30:46,730 --> 00:30:44,279 right I mean come on so they park at the 810 00:30:48,049 --> 00:30:46,740 corners or whatever where your parents 811 00:30:49,250 --> 00:30:48,059 or your mother can take you to the 812 00:30:50,570 --> 00:30:49,260 corner right well your dad's out there 813 00:30:52,610 --> 00:30:50,580 milking cows or whatever he's doing 814 00:30:53,389 --> 00:30:52,620 right right your mom takes it to school 815 00:30:56,750 --> 00:30:53,399 bus 816 00:30:59,090 --> 00:30:56,760 so that got to be old too because the 817 00:31:01,370 --> 00:30:59,100 the moms had to make them breakfast wait 818 00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:01,380 for the bus it's February you got three 819 00:31:06,350 --> 00:31:04,440 feet of snow it's cold outside right and 820 00:31:08,029 --> 00:31:06,360 and so you're like why don't I just take 821 00:31:09,470 --> 00:31:08,039 it to Reed's Diner 822 00:31:12,769 --> 00:31:09,480 I'm sure she'll make you some breakfast 823 00:31:15,529 --> 00:31:12,779 and you can ride your bike to school 824 00:31:17,630 --> 00:31:15,539 so that's what happened so before you 825 00:31:19,730 --> 00:31:17,640 know it my mom would uh 826 00:31:21,769 --> 00:31:19,740 run a tab for all these little kids 827 00:31:23,210 --> 00:31:21,779 right we're talking first second third 828 00:31:26,090 --> 00:31:23,220 fourth graders right 829 00:31:27,409 --> 00:31:26,100 and uh she had an area in the back and 830 00:31:30,590 --> 00:31:27,419 back in the in the 60s you had those 831 00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:30,600 banana seat bikes yeah yeah yeah so she 832 00:31:34,010 --> 00:31:31,860 would store all these bikes in the back 833 00:31:35,630 --> 00:31:34,020 and the kids would be dropped off by 834 00:31:37,970 --> 00:31:35,640 their parents they have french toast 835 00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:37,980 whatever they wanted right and she keep 836 00:31:40,669 --> 00:31:39,240 track of it and end of the week the 837 00:31:42,350 --> 00:31:40,679 parents would sell it but in the 838 00:31:44,330 --> 00:31:42,360 meantime the kids would also come back 839 00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:44,340 after school because they had to put 840 00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,320 their their bikes in the in the back 841 00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:48,480 near a cooler and so they had the 842 00:31:51,649 --> 00:31:50,159 Jukebox my mom would give them quarters 843 00:31:53,149 --> 00:31:51,659 they dropped him in a jukebox they're 844 00:31:55,490 --> 00:31:53,159 listening to the stones to listen to 845 00:31:57,529 --> 00:31:55,500 Credence whatever it was and to make 846 00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:57,539 these big baskets of fries and she'd 847 00:32:01,370 --> 00:31:59,039 deep fry them and bacon fat and all the 848 00:32:04,010 --> 00:32:01,380 kids are munching out well it's those 849 00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:04,020 kids back in the day that remembered all 850 00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:06,000 this and they're the ones who got this 851 00:32:10,490 --> 00:32:08,340 inducted into state 852 00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,500 so is that relating to the um because 853 00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:12,000 we've got some pictures here I wanted to 854 00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:14,340 share is this relating to the uh the 855 00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:16,440 governor's citation and and things like 856 00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,200 that so so a lot of those kids 857 00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:21,600 um some are now historians 858 00:32:27,769 --> 00:32:25,320 um Kevin Titus became a judge 859 00:32:28,970 --> 00:32:27,779 um Galata whose father was the chief of 860 00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:28,980 police he used to eat there in the 861 00:32:31,490 --> 00:32:29,760 morning he's the one that was on 862 00:32:33,049 --> 00:32:31,500 Unsolved Mysteries and pointed up and 863 00:32:36,649 --> 00:32:33,059 said you know that picture that's my dad 864 00:32:37,730 --> 00:32:36,659 you know yeah well he was one that used 865 00:32:40,010 --> 00:32:37,740 to eat in her Diner he's like a couple 866 00:32:41,450 --> 00:32:40,020 years older than me but yeah so he 867 00:32:42,889 --> 00:32:41,460 actually went looking for the UFO with 868 00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:42,899 his dad that night they actually were 869 00:32:44,990 --> 00:32:44,159 dispatched and went looking for it 870 00:32:46,909 --> 00:32:45,000 that's something else I want to talk 871 00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:46,919 about Unsolved Mysteries ugh he's 872 00:32:53,510 --> 00:32:49,679 straight and I know so anyway absolutely 873 00:32:56,090 --> 00:32:53,520 yeah yeah so back to the kids so 874 00:32:56,810 --> 00:32:56,100 the children that would eat her Diner in 875 00:32:59,389 --> 00:32:56,820 the morning 876 00:33:01,370 --> 00:32:59,399 listen to music right this is the 60s 877 00:33:02,450 --> 00:33:01,380 there was no FM stations in our area if 878 00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:02,460 you wanted to listen to music You 879 00:33:05,149 --> 00:33:03,840 Dropped a quarter in a jukebox the only 880 00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:05,159 other spot that had a jukebox was the 881 00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:07,320 bowling alley so if you wanted to have a 882 00:33:11,330 --> 00:33:10,080 sandwich listen to the stones chill out 883 00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:11,340 and have a chocolate shake afterwards 884 00:33:15,289 --> 00:33:13,679 you ate at our diner right and and 885 00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:15,299 everybody at Sprague who was working on 886 00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:16,799 a Goodwill message and everything else 887 00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:18,360 working on a space race they know it too 888 00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:21,840 right so that's was a hangout and so 889 00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:25,440 with that said those kids 30 or 40 of 890 00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:26,880 them a lot of kids 891 00:33:31,370 --> 00:33:29,760 later on when this was uh being looked 892 00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:31,380 at by the Historical Society of 893 00:33:34,130 --> 00:33:32,220 Massachusetts 894 00:33:36,590 --> 00:33:34,140 the Sheffield case 895 00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:36,600 um they were you know reaching out to 896 00:33:39,529 --> 00:33:37,740 people you know have you ever heard of 897 00:33:40,669 --> 00:33:39,539 this yeah I used to eat there I remember 898 00:33:45,169 --> 00:33:40,679 it 899 00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:45,179 else was there the the chief of police's 900 00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:47,580 son used to go so there were all these 901 00:33:52,009 --> 00:33:49,260 people that were reputable 902 00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:52,019 that remembered all that and because my 903 00:33:57,049 --> 00:33:54,000 father passed 904 00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:57,059 you know yeah yeah and um 905 00:34:01,250 --> 00:33:59,279 they know him you know 906 00:34:02,810 --> 00:34:01,260 and uh a lot of these kids I went to 907 00:34:05,330 --> 00:34:02,820 school with too 908 00:34:07,789 --> 00:34:05,340 um he was advocating something that took 909 00:34:11,149 --> 00:34:07,799 place in that community in that town of 910 00:34:13,070 --> 00:34:11,159 Sheffield and so in some respects there 911 00:34:16,369 --> 00:34:13,080 was this interest to pay something 912 00:34:18,409 --> 00:34:16,379 forward to him okay which became the 913 00:34:20,589 --> 00:34:18,419 monument and stuff like that then there 914 00:34:24,349 --> 00:34:20,599 were donations and then it became a park 915 00:34:26,450 --> 00:34:24,359 and uh after the state you know I took 916 00:34:29,210 --> 00:34:26,460 my polygraph test and 917 00:34:31,250 --> 00:34:29,220 and uh you know 918 00:34:33,230 --> 00:34:31,260 they found the old archives and things 919 00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:33,240 they spoke to the radio station that 920 00:34:36,649 --> 00:34:34,560 actually broadcast this that night 921 00:34:38,050 --> 00:34:36,659 because Tom J actually was home got a 922 00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:38,060 call they spoke to the police department 923 00:34:42,889 --> 00:34:40,020 and they were trying to find out where 924 00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,899 this thing was and again unsolved didn't 925 00:34:46,609 --> 00:34:44,159 mention anything about this part of it 926 00:34:48,889 --> 00:34:46,619 he drove back to the radio station broke 927 00:34:50,329 --> 00:34:48,899 into the the tape you know the 928 00:34:51,889 --> 00:34:50,339 reel-to-reel type thing to get on the 929 00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:51,899 radio and so on and say listen if you 930 00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:53,040 guys see this thing call the Station 931 00:34:58,010 --> 00:34:55,800 that's why Jan green who was in unsubbed 932 00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:58,020 Mysteries went back to the station right 933 00:35:01,010 --> 00:34:59,520 and he was knocking on the door and 934 00:35:03,470 --> 00:35:01,020 saying well if you just go outside you'd 935 00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:03,480 probably see us right there so um 936 00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:05,460 there's a lot of things that haven't 937 00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:07,740 been told quite honestly but the bottom 938 00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:09,119 line here what I'm trying to really 939 00:35:14,109 --> 00:35:12,240 stress here is that if my mom wasn't so 940 00:35:16,430 --> 00:35:14,119 nice to those kids 941 00:35:19,069 --> 00:35:16,440 we wouldn't be talking today 942 00:35:20,810 --> 00:35:19,079 you know it was the fact that she opened 943 00:35:22,730 --> 00:35:20,820 her door to all these kids so that they 944 00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:22,740 could ride their bike and they became 945 00:35:27,950 --> 00:35:24,960 historians 946 00:35:29,690 --> 00:35:27,960 judges police officers you name it you 947 00:35:31,010 --> 00:35:29,700 know yeah absolutely now one thing you 948 00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,020 sent me a couple of videos we've got the 949 00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:33,359 polygraph officer who uh you know who 950 00:35:37,130 --> 00:35:35,220 spoke with you and we've also the lawyer 951 00:35:39,410 --> 00:35:37,140 who authenticated the Historical Society 952 00:35:41,690 --> 00:35:39,420 that's important too yeah do you want me 953 00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:41,700 to play these videos and if so we'll 954 00:35:49,250 --> 00:35:46,400 talk about the the lawyer okay so Toby 955 00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:49,260 Toby wrote an article a little while or 956 00:35:53,329 --> 00:35:50,700 worked on an article 957 00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:53,339 that kind of talks about how this whole 958 00:35:57,470 --> 00:35:54,720 thing got inducted too because there was 959 00:36:01,130 --> 00:35:57,480 a lot a lot going on there too so the 960 00:36:02,810 --> 00:36:01,140 Kessler Law Firm Debbie Kessler was the 961 00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:02,820 attorney's wife 962 00:36:08,510 --> 00:36:06,660 who actually went to Roswell she went to 963 00:36:09,410 --> 00:36:08,520 the Roswell Museum in the research 964 00:36:11,930 --> 00:36:09,420 center 965 00:36:15,710 --> 00:36:11,940 and she was looking for anything she 966 00:36:16,370 --> 00:36:15,720 could find about 33 426 which was 967 00:36:18,109 --> 00:36:16,380 um 968 00:36:20,510 --> 00:36:18,119 what is it the Extraterrestrial 969 00:36:23,329 --> 00:36:20,520 intelligence and human future that with 970 00:36:25,970 --> 00:36:23,339 the Symposium held by Muhammad Ramadan 971 00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,980 she found some of that also in The Black 972 00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:27,359 Vault she found some of it The Black 973 00:36:32,569 --> 00:36:30,480 Vault and um anything to do with um a 974 00:36:34,609 --> 00:36:32,579 high net classification or sightings 975 00:36:36,290 --> 00:36:34,619 that were reported back in the day so 976 00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:36,300 she took all that material she got a lot 977 00:36:40,130 --> 00:36:37,680 of that from the Roswell research 978 00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,140 library and folded it to the state of 979 00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:42,720 Massachusetts and in doing so she also 980 00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:44,940 was responsible for getting it before a 981 00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,980 judge to authenticate these documents as 982 00:36:51,050 --> 00:36:48,960 being a true document because the 983 00:36:54,349 --> 00:36:51,060 historical society would not listen to 984 00:36:58,430 --> 00:36:54,359 anything that they could not 985 00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,440 um deem a um a source document okay you 986 00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:00,240 can't go off a copy of this or a copy of 987 00:37:05,150 --> 00:37:03,119 that and so would that the Roswell 988 00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:05,160 research Library I guess the city of 989 00:37:08,450 --> 00:37:06,180 Roswell 990 00:37:10,849 --> 00:37:08,460 played a significant role in getting 991 00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:10,859 this inducted and so yeah there's a 992 00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,240 little bit of a tape she was recorded 993 00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:14,640 for a show that was never aired so I was 994 00:37:20,089 --> 00:37:17,579 given this piece which I think you're 995 00:37:22,430 --> 00:37:20,099 going to play yeah absolutely yeah 996 00:37:32,589 --> 00:37:22,440 I'll mute myself while I play yeah 997 00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:37,970 now no audio 998 00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:41,089 we had that same problem too you know 999 00:37:59,870 --> 00:37:46,849 but that's her yeah 1000 00:38:05,870 --> 00:38:03,710 my name is Debbie Kessler and I might to 1001 00:38:08,750 --> 00:38:05,880 be ex-husband Frank Kessler and I own a 1002 00:38:10,609 --> 00:38:08,760 law office and it's in Tennessee I've 1003 00:38:13,069 --> 00:38:10,619 been his paralegal for about 29 years 1004 00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:13,079 running his law office we have worked 1005 00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:15,839 side by side in his firm I actually met 1006 00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:20,160 Tom by coincidence and as we began to 1007 00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:22,800 speak and and get to know each other we 1008 00:38:27,050 --> 00:38:24,300 realized that we had a lot of 1009 00:38:29,950 --> 00:38:27,060 connections he knew my family in Miami 1010 00:38:33,230 --> 00:38:29,960 and had had a lot of workings with them 1011 00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:33,240 and as such we started talking about the 1012 00:38:35,329 --> 00:38:34,560 things that had happened to he and his 1013 00:38:37,790 --> 00:38:35,339 family 1014 00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,800 and he isn't one to oh you know talk 1015 00:38:41,450 --> 00:38:39,599 about that too openly because he knows 1016 00:38:43,130 --> 00:38:41,460 it's pretty far-fetched 1017 00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:43,140 um but as he you know as we got to know 1018 00:38:47,870 --> 00:38:44,880 each other he began to open up a little 1019 00:38:50,750 --> 00:38:47,880 bit more and more and 1020 00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,760 um I will stress to you that in the 29 1021 00:38:54,770 --> 00:38:52,320 years well actually I've been doing a 1022 00:38:56,450 --> 00:38:54,780 little longer than 29 years but in the 1023 00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:56,460 years that I have been doing 1024 00:39:01,790 --> 00:38:59,040 um the legal paralegal and legal 1025 00:39:04,490 --> 00:39:01,800 secretary work for all those years I was 1026 00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:04,500 taught that you are to look at all 1027 00:39:08,690 --> 00:39:06,540 aspects and to look for inconsistencies 1028 00:39:10,730 --> 00:39:08,700 you have to look for 1029 00:39:12,589 --> 00:39:10,740 um the little lies the little things 1030 00:39:15,170 --> 00:39:12,599 that people want you to believe the 1031 00:39:18,770 --> 00:39:15,180 little things that uh maybe 1032 00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:18,780 they are not exactly lies but they want 1033 00:39:22,609 --> 00:39:20,640 the the story to lean a little this way 1034 00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:22,619 or lean a little that way and over the 1035 00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:23,520 years 1036 00:39:28,730 --> 00:39:26,700 being representing different people and 1037 00:39:31,970 --> 00:39:28,740 doing things like contracts and and even 1038 00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:31,980 divorce work in making sure that we have 1039 00:39:36,410 --> 00:39:33,599 the right agreement down and the right 1040 00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:36,420 contracts together we have to make sure 1041 00:39:40,849 --> 00:39:38,820 that we are believing the right person 1042 00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:40,859 because we didn't want five years or 1043 00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,960 three years to come back and bite Us by 1044 00:39:46,849 --> 00:39:44,640 them saying well this is not the way it 1045 00:39:50,089 --> 00:39:46,859 was and well didn't you understand that 1046 00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:50,099 this person said this or said that so uh 1047 00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:51,900 Frank and I were always very careful and 1048 00:39:57,410 --> 00:39:54,960 cautious in anything that we did all 1049 00:40:00,170 --> 00:39:57,420 throughout the practice 1050 00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:00,180 and so therefore in any time I was 1051 00:40:04,490 --> 00:40:02,640 talking to Tom or even in my 1052 00:40:06,410 --> 00:40:04,500 conversations with his mother Nancy or 1053 00:40:09,890 --> 00:40:06,420 his brother Matthew 1054 00:40:12,490 --> 00:40:09,900 I've always listened and paid attention 1055 00:40:14,990 --> 00:40:12,500 and looked for those 1056 00:40:17,810 --> 00:40:15,000 inconsistencies whether they be large or 1057 00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:17,820 small and of course I've spoken to Tom 1058 00:40:23,089 --> 00:40:19,920 much more than I ever have his his 1059 00:40:25,310 --> 00:40:23,099 mother and his brother but with the 1060 00:40:27,530 --> 00:40:25,320 three of them I've never found any 1061 00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:27,540 inconsistencies when his mother has 1062 00:40:32,990 --> 00:40:30,720 spoken to me outside away from Tom her 1063 00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,000 story is the same her story has the same 1064 00:40:38,329 --> 00:40:35,280 details her story says the same thing 1065 00:40:40,910 --> 00:40:38,339 when I speak to Tom his story doesn't 1066 00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:40,920 change I've tried to ask him several 1067 00:40:45,950 --> 00:40:43,440 things upside down backwards forwards 1068 00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:45,960 you know East to West and his answers 1069 00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:48,480 were always the same he hasn't he hasn't 1070 00:40:54,349 --> 00:40:51,000 changed when he began to show us the 1071 00:40:55,690 --> 00:40:54,359 documents that several of them had gone 1072 00:40:58,010 --> 00:40:55,700 before the U.N 1073 00:41:01,010 --> 00:40:58,020 or had been mentioned at the U.N and 1074 00:41:03,370 --> 00:41:01,020 were part of a symposium there there 1075 00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:03,380 were several documents that 1076 00:41:07,010 --> 00:41:05,640 uh some people might look at that and 1077 00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:07,020 say well we don't know if that's a real 1078 00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:09,119 document but when I started doing 1079 00:41:13,609 --> 00:41:11,400 research on it and was looking into it 1080 00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:13,619 the you know the players are real the 1081 00:41:16,670 --> 00:41:15,180 people that are mentioned the signatures 1082 00:41:18,890 --> 00:41:16,680 that are there 1083 00:41:21,230 --> 00:41:18,900 um all absolutely appear to be real real 1084 00:41:34,250 --> 00:41:21,240 people real people in those positions at 1085 00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:37,550 amazing yeah they have they were uh 1086 00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,140 pretty instrumental in getting all this 1087 00:41:44,690 --> 00:41:42,480 um you know moving forward 1088 00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:44,700 you know Massachusetts I don't think 1089 00:41:48,170 --> 00:41:46,079 they had any idea they were going to 1090 00:41:50,329 --> 00:41:48,180 find as much as they did you know with 1091 00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:50,339 all the witnesses and the and the 1092 00:41:55,370 --> 00:41:52,020 credibility of those who were part of it 1093 00:41:56,750 --> 00:41:55,380 and the radio station and and uh there 1094 00:41:59,089 --> 00:41:56,760 was like you know some of the Articles 1095 00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:59,099 you would say oh there were 40 40 uh 1096 00:42:04,490 --> 00:42:01,200 Witnesses no there are 40 people who 1097 00:42:07,130 --> 00:42:04,500 came that were original Witnesses part 1098 00:42:09,650 --> 00:42:07,140 of that 250 uh when they unveiled the 1099 00:42:11,089 --> 00:42:09,660 monument in memory of my my late father 1100 00:42:13,550 --> 00:42:11,099 so 1101 00:42:15,290 --> 00:42:13,560 um yeah I mean it's it's a it's quite a 1102 00:42:17,870 --> 00:42:15,300 thing to be part of you know 1103 00:42:20,510 --> 00:42:17,880 um it did it you asked me earlier you 1104 00:42:21,890 --> 00:42:20,520 know how to change things for me um my 1105 00:42:24,050 --> 00:42:21,900 mother had asked me uh when I was young 1106 00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:24,060 you know uh what would you like for your 1107 00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,320 birthday or Christmas or whatever it was 1108 00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:28,079 and I said a camera you know sure if I 1109 00:42:32,569 --> 00:42:30,660 hadn't seen what I did I wouldn't have 1110 00:42:35,150 --> 00:42:32,579 asked for a camera to capture it if I 1111 00:42:37,130 --> 00:42:35,160 ever saw it again not not thinking I 1112 00:42:38,270 --> 00:42:37,140 never would right for the most part but 1113 00:42:40,970 --> 00:42:38,280 you never know 1114 00:42:43,849 --> 00:42:40,980 right and uh so that became my career 1115 00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:43,859 you know I became a a fast photographer 1116 00:42:47,569 --> 00:42:45,839 in Miami and you know the whole bit that 1117 00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:47,579 you know the remodeling agency and the 1118 00:42:50,930 --> 00:42:49,440 whole bit so who knows maybe it would 1119 00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:50,940 have been in like lawn care or vehicle 1120 00:42:55,790 --> 00:42:51,920 maintenance 1121 00:42:56,450 --> 00:42:55,800 yeah so I try to find a good in it you 1122 00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:56,460 know 1123 00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:01,680 times it still bothers me I don't you 1124 00:43:05,569 --> 00:43:04,079 would have thought by now no but it does 1125 00:43:07,970 --> 00:43:05,579 you know even talking to you earlier it 1126 00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:07,980 bothers me you know I don't know why 1127 00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,859 because I talk about it so often but 1128 00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:12,720 um you know I want to get into the the 1129 00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:14,280 details you know 1130 00:43:17,450 --> 00:43:15,359 um 1131 00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:17,460 yeah you know because I I don't know 1132 00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:19,020 what happened to me you know you know I 1133 00:43:23,329 --> 00:43:22,079 wasn't uh awake for so much of it who 1134 00:43:25,370 --> 00:43:23,339 knows what happened I mean I do have 1135 00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:25,380 like and I got this little scoop mark on 1136 00:43:31,250 --> 00:43:28,800 my arms some people say you know that's 1137 00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,260 something I also happen to have one on 1138 00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:33,599 this hand as well so I have one on each 1139 00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,160 wrist 1140 00:43:39,530 --> 00:43:38,160 um I am O Negative we are RH negative 1141 00:43:42,829 --> 00:43:39,540 um we were 1142 00:43:44,450 --> 00:43:42,839 in an area that was uh surrounded by 1143 00:43:46,430 --> 00:43:44,460 governmental manufacturing facilities 1144 00:43:49,010 --> 00:43:46,440 funded by the government with NASA and 1145 00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,020 the space race and the NORAD towers and 1146 00:43:54,410 --> 00:43:51,359 the missile sites and you know I think 1147 00:43:55,609 --> 00:43:54,420 it only makes sense that there was a 1148 00:43:58,190 --> 00:43:55,619 military in 1149 00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:58,200 you know military was involved in some 1150 00:44:02,569 --> 00:44:00,960 of this and so I'm very careful in how I 1151 00:44:04,190 --> 00:44:02,579 word what really happened to me so when 1152 00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:04,200 I passed the polygraph test I took right 1153 00:44:07,490 --> 00:44:06,180 so give you an example people say well 1154 00:44:08,809 --> 00:44:07,500 why don't you ever talk about the fact 1155 00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:08,819 you know you're abducted or what have 1156 00:44:13,849 --> 00:44:12,180 you well I don't really know who took me 1157 00:44:16,490 --> 00:44:13,859 from the car 1158 00:44:19,130 --> 00:44:16,500 I don't know so the part of me really 1159 00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:19,140 believes that there was a military 1160 00:44:25,550 --> 00:44:22,319 um you know aspect or part of this right 1161 00:44:28,730 --> 00:44:25,560 and so with that if I were to just 1162 00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:28,740 jump on board and say okay you know this 1163 00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:30,960 is what happened and I'm wrong part of 1164 00:44:35,809 --> 00:44:32,880 me knows that that I don't really I'm 1165 00:44:37,490 --> 00:44:35,819 not really 100 sure yeah so I could fail 1166 00:44:39,710 --> 00:44:37,500 a polygraph then what good amount 1167 00:44:42,349 --> 00:44:39,720 anybody else in this topic if I feel a 1168 00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:42,359 polygraph test at this point so my gut 1169 00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:46,079 tells me there was a a military and 1170 00:44:50,089 --> 00:44:47,520 there was military involvement there was 1171 00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:50,099 a human aspect to what happened to us 1172 00:44:54,050 --> 00:44:51,240 that night 1173 00:44:55,849 --> 00:44:54,060 so I try to be overly careful but for 1174 00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,859 the right reasons I think you know I 1175 00:44:59,569 --> 00:44:57,599 understand that completely and I mean we 1176 00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,579 talk about validity though you recently 1177 00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,920 or you have appeared with the uh the 1178 00:45:06,290 --> 00:45:03,599 body language experts they're quite 1179 00:45:08,270 --> 00:45:06,300 popular on YouTube and you know they 1180 00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:08,280 interviewed you with quite an extensive 1181 00:45:13,569 --> 00:45:10,140 interview and then they put out a 1182 00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:13,579 separate video analysis and you know 1183 00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:16,079 they were you were legit in their eyes 1184 00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:17,760 you know and these are four of the 1185 00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:19,200 biggest experts in the world you know 1186 00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:21,180 for anybody out there that that hasn't 1187 00:45:25,010 --> 00:45:22,800 uh isn't aware of these guys you know 1188 00:45:26,930 --> 00:45:25,020 they've spoken to Bob Lazar and other 1189 00:45:28,849 --> 00:45:26,940 people outside of the UFO Community they 1190 00:45:30,410 --> 00:45:28,859 cover all things and I have linked the 1191 00:45:33,050 --> 00:45:30,420 videos in the description below and I 1192 00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:33,060 urge everybody to go and watch that um 1193 00:45:37,609 --> 00:45:35,040 because it's really really eye-opening 1194 00:45:38,990 --> 00:45:37,619 it is what it is you know yeah exactly 1195 00:45:41,089 --> 00:45:39,000 that's why I don't I don't take 1196 00:45:44,510 --> 00:45:41,099 Liberties I don't sensationalize things 1197 00:45:45,950 --> 00:45:44,520 uh I pay uh you know I'm grateful for 1198 00:45:47,089 --> 00:45:45,960 those who came forward and helped 1199 00:45:49,550 --> 00:45:47,099 support us 1200 00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:49,560 um it was just luck that the radio 1201 00:45:54,589 --> 00:45:51,720 station was still in business you know 1202 00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,599 in 2015 in the same building you know 1203 00:45:58,430 --> 00:45:56,880 that kind of thing and and a lot of the 1204 00:45:59,870 --> 00:45:58,440 people in the area still live there to 1205 00:46:01,609 --> 00:45:59,880 this day you know but they're not going 1206 00:46:03,950 --> 00:46:01,619 to be there forever I mean I'm I'm in my 1207 00:46:06,829 --> 00:46:03,960 60s for God's sakes right so a lot of 1208 00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:06,839 them are older than me and um you know 1209 00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,359 the Jan green the you know Melanie 1210 00:46:14,030 --> 00:46:11,520 kurzstor first she's legit not everybody 1211 00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:14,040 and on some Mysteries was was legit but 1212 00:46:19,309 --> 00:46:16,079 she was but that's what I want to get 1213 00:46:21,050 --> 00:46:19,319 into next you know because yeah well as 1214 00:46:22,730 --> 00:46:21,060 much as you want as much as you want to 1215 00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,740 say about it but if you're for anybody 1216 00:46:26,690 --> 00:46:24,480 that's not familiar it was featured on 1217 00:46:28,609 --> 00:46:26,700 the the reboot which was season one 1218 00:46:30,650 --> 00:46:28,619 episode five of Unsolved Mysteries it's 1219 00:46:32,329 --> 00:46:30,660 available on Netflix uh I think well 1220 00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:32,339 it's available here in the UK I can't 1221 00:46:36,890 --> 00:46:34,260 speak for every country but I urge 1222 00:46:39,530 --> 00:46:36,900 everyone to go and watch it but then you 1223 00:46:41,150 --> 00:46:39,540 want to kind of explain a bit about it 1224 00:46:44,809 --> 00:46:41,160 just to sort of lay the record straight 1225 00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:44,819 yeah so I was contacted back in 2012 or 1226 00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:45,599 so 1227 00:46:50,809 --> 00:46:48,480 um by a woman by the name of Cindy she 1228 00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:50,819 was a segment producer for or what ended 1229 00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:52,980 up being her episode and they were 1230 00:46:58,250 --> 00:46:56,160 absolutely you know uh they were taken 1231 00:47:01,370 --> 00:46:58,260 by the fact that this was inducted as an 1232 00:47:01,970 --> 00:47:01,380 historically true event which it was and 1233 00:47:04,250 --> 00:47:01,980 um 1234 00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:04,260 and so the the whole idea of doing this 1235 00:47:11,089 --> 00:47:07,680 show was to you know um I had a website 1236 00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:11,099 in 2015 or so it was the Berkshires UFO 1237 00:47:14,270 --> 00:47:12,060 website 1238 00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:14,280 and so it ended up being named that the 1239 00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:16,260 Berkshires UFO not Tom Reeves Birches 1240 00:47:20,270 --> 00:47:17,760 UFO but you know you go to 1241 00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:20,280 berkshiresufo.com that's my website and 1242 00:47:25,550 --> 00:47:22,319 so um anyway 1243 00:47:28,370 --> 00:47:25,560 um they were 1244 00:47:30,829 --> 00:47:28,380 I think that when they went to town and 1245 00:47:33,470 --> 00:47:30,839 they started talking to all these people 1246 00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,480 I don't think they knew how many other 1247 00:47:38,329 --> 00:47:36,240 people were part of it and so this thing 1248 00:47:41,089 --> 00:47:38,339 grew and grew and grew until they were 1249 00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:41,099 you know they had uh you know Melanie on 1250 00:47:45,950 --> 00:47:43,260 it they had the radio station on it they 1251 00:47:47,569 --> 00:47:45,960 they actually recorded Kevin Titus I 1252 00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,579 mentioned Kevin Titus was a judge who 1253 00:47:50,329 --> 00:47:49,200 was in her well he was the one who 1254 00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:50,339 actually witnessed the cattle 1255 00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:52,079 mutilations which didn't make the show 1256 00:47:55,970 --> 00:47:53,760 they filmed a lot with him but that 1257 00:47:57,710 --> 00:47:55,980 didn't make the show so they removed 1258 00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:57,720 that so because that also screwed up the 1259 00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,760 flight plan because they want to show it 1260 00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:01,920 following the water well it actually 1261 00:48:06,349 --> 00:48:04,319 started in Connecticut around 6 15 right 1262 00:48:07,790 --> 00:48:06,359 around dinner time and then it went all 1263 00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:07,800 the way up to Pittsfield Massachusetts 1264 00:48:13,370 --> 00:48:10,560 and then came back towards Canaan again 1265 00:48:16,970 --> 00:48:13,380 so that Kanan was hit twice 1266 00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:16,980 but the first time he and his uh and his 1267 00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,839 friend were they had a 22 rifle and they 1268 00:48:22,430 --> 00:48:20,400 were shooting little ping you know cans 1269 00:48:23,809 --> 00:48:22,440 of stuff in the backyard right so it 1270 00:48:26,270 --> 00:48:23,819 actually started where it says North 1271 00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:26,280 Canaan yeah then it was seen in 1272 00:48:31,730 --> 00:48:30,000 Pittsfield right just like that yep 1273 00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:31,740 and what was interesting we mentioned we 1274 00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:33,359 discussed this before we came on the air 1275 00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,240 was that the Orange Line seems to pretty 1276 00:48:41,450 --> 00:48:38,640 much you know relate to the path that 1277 00:48:43,010 --> 00:48:41,460 this object took you know but if you 1278 00:48:44,270 --> 00:48:43,020 look at the water line and you pointed 1279 00:48:46,490 --> 00:48:44,280 this out to me the water it almost 1280 00:48:48,770 --> 00:48:46,500 follows the water line and it does I 1281 00:48:50,030 --> 00:48:48,780 mean that's fascinating yeah so it 1282 00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:50,040 started North Canada that's where they 1283 00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:53,220 found two cows mutilated and they 1284 00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:54,800 actually called the National Guard base 1285 00:49:00,170 --> 00:48:58,079 which didn't get an episode and then it 1286 00:49:01,730 --> 00:49:00,180 was noticed I think the first massive 1287 00:49:03,170 --> 00:49:01,740 sighting was in Pittsfield which is a 1288 00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:03,180 pretty big town by the way it's a pretty 1289 00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:05,280 good-sized little city right and so a 1290 00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:06,480 lot of sightings in Pittsfield and there 1291 00:49:10,430 --> 00:49:08,640 and um and that's where the NORAD Towers 1292 00:49:12,890 --> 00:49:10,440 were in Dalton which is right next to 1293 00:49:14,510 --> 00:49:12,900 Pittsfield okay so it was seen up there 1294 00:49:16,250 --> 00:49:14,520 and then it came through yeah 1295 00:49:18,109 --> 00:49:16,260 Stockbridge that's where Melanie lived 1296 00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,119 remember Melanie kirchstorfer yeah 1297 00:49:24,050 --> 00:49:20,880 absolutely she lives in Stockbridge and 1298 00:49:26,990 --> 00:49:24,060 so in Stockbridge the water does go to 1299 00:49:29,089 --> 00:49:27,000 the left you can see that and that is 1300 00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:29,099 where the lake was Great Barrington 1301 00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:30,079 Tennessee 1302 00:49:33,650 --> 00:49:31,920 Great Barrington if you go down a little 1303 00:49:36,530 --> 00:49:33,660 bit where the B is or the a in 1304 00:49:38,210 --> 00:49:36,540 Barrington go up go up yeah right in 1305 00:49:40,670 --> 00:49:38,220 there is where the lake is that Melanie 1306 00:49:42,410 --> 00:49:40,680 had her experience right by the way she 1307 00:49:45,230 --> 00:49:42,420 had hers 1308 00:49:48,589 --> 00:49:45,240 about the same time that I had hours 1309 00:49:51,770 --> 00:49:48,599 because she actually had seen it first 1310 00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:51,780 we encountered it about 45 minutes to an 1311 00:49:57,410 --> 00:49:55,200 hour later but we came back and three 1312 00:49:59,390 --> 00:49:57,420 hours she didn't return to the street 1313 00:50:03,050 --> 00:49:59,400 with a car or see her family to the next 1314 00:50:06,349 --> 00:50:03,060 morning so she was theoretically very 1315 00:50:08,569 --> 00:50:06,359 possibly at the same place that I was at 1316 00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:08,579 the same time yes now then you see where 1317 00:50:12,349 --> 00:50:10,319 it goes to Edgar my I don't think 1318 00:50:15,410 --> 00:50:12,359 anybody ever said it went to eggermont 1319 00:50:18,589 --> 00:50:15,420 but Vermont is a ski resort 1320 00:50:21,050 --> 00:50:18,599 so it's a very high elevation okay and 1321 00:50:21,710 --> 00:50:21,060 these golfers are the ones that reported 1322 00:50:26,809 --> 00:50:21,720 it 1323 00:50:29,390 --> 00:50:26,819 but they were also very high up 1324 00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,400 and so in some respects one of them was 1325 00:50:34,089 --> 00:50:31,920 actually saying it was almost eye level 1326 00:50:36,410 --> 00:50:34,099 okay 1327 00:50:38,089 --> 00:50:36,420 I wouldn't say it actually went to 1328 00:50:41,630 --> 00:50:38,099 eggermont I think it still followed the 1329 00:50:43,250 --> 00:50:41,640 Waterway but it was definitely seen by 1330 00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:43,260 eggermont and it got a classification 1331 00:50:45,770 --> 00:50:44,640 for Megan which is on one of those 1332 00:50:47,450 --> 00:50:45,780 letters that you showed up a minute 1333 00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:47,460 where you showed uh from the Historical 1334 00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:49,800 Society moments ago 1335 00:50:52,250 --> 00:50:50,720 um 1336 00:50:57,950 --> 00:50:52,260 so 1337 00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:57,960 again right you know um actually you see 1338 00:51:02,150 --> 00:50:59,280 where it says that seven right there in 1339 00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:02,160 front of Sheffield just uh yeah there's 1340 00:51:06,410 --> 00:51:03,839 actually a road do you see the one to 1341 00:51:08,750 --> 00:51:06,420 the right of that this one here that's 1342 00:51:14,030 --> 00:51:08,760 Boardman Street that's where our house 1343 00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:14,040 was oh wow and Gina Paul who was a 1344 00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,839 witness to this too along with her 1345 00:51:19,849 --> 00:51:17,760 father who was having a barbecue or a 1346 00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:19,859 picnic if you will that's also going to 1347 00:51:23,809 --> 00:51:21,599 be in our book she spoke out about it 1348 00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:23,819 that's where they saw it they actually 1349 00:51:28,430 --> 00:51:26,880 were seeing it here when the craft had 1350 00:51:31,130 --> 00:51:28,440 crossed the street they don't show it 1351 00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:31,140 crossing the highway so the craft that 1352 00:51:36,290 --> 00:51:34,319 they saw was coming down probably in 1353 00:51:38,210 --> 00:51:36,300 between where your cursor is and the 1354 00:51:40,430 --> 00:51:38,220 orange dot right about the middle 1355 00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:40,440 somewhere in there okay following the 1356 00:51:45,230 --> 00:51:43,200 Waterway she saw it actually Crossroad 1357 00:51:47,390 --> 00:51:45,240 seven so it actually went across seven 1358 00:51:49,250 --> 00:51:47,400 right if you go up a little higher 1359 00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:49,260 that's probably right about there is 1360 00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:52,559 yeah well right in there is pretty much 1361 00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,160 where they saw it cross the road okay at 1362 00:52:01,130 --> 00:51:58,319 one point was on the opposite side of 1363 00:52:03,650 --> 00:52:01,140 that Waterway okay and so we left town 1364 00:52:06,490 --> 00:52:03,660 which is pretty much where that orange 1365 00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:06,500 dot is underneath Sheffield and we went 1366 00:52:11,210 --> 00:52:09,359 across the bridge and that's kind of 1367 00:52:13,490 --> 00:52:11,220 where we met 1368 00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:13,500 we ran into it right there 1369 00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:16,800 so we think that there were these fears 1370 00:52:19,790 --> 00:52:18,240 or um 1371 00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:19,800 you know I call them a sphere some 1372 00:52:25,069 --> 00:52:21,960 people call them an orb yeah yeah what 1373 00:52:28,490 --> 00:52:25,079 what Gina had seen looking up over 1374 00:52:31,490 --> 00:52:28,500 towards the mountain of egremont 1375 00:52:33,470 --> 00:52:31,500 uh she said that all of a sudden it 1376 00:52:36,890 --> 00:52:33,480 looked like the hill had been you know 1377 00:52:38,510 --> 00:52:36,900 engulfed in a veil of gold okay so it 1378 00:52:41,089 --> 00:52:38,520 was casting something was happening with 1379 00:52:44,089 --> 00:52:41,099 the color of the the hill yeah and she 1380 00:52:46,910 --> 00:52:44,099 saw these orbs like all joined and split 1381 00:52:48,290 --> 00:52:46,920 apart or spears if you will and you know 1382 00:52:51,049 --> 00:52:48,300 that whole thing that you hear a lot 1383 00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:51,059 about the rounds balls yeah that's what 1384 00:52:55,790 --> 00:52:54,000 she was watching with her sister and she 1385 00:52:57,170 --> 00:52:55,800 was very descriptive about it 1386 00:52:59,329 --> 00:52:57,180 now 1387 00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:59,339 their whole family had a barbecue they 1388 00:53:04,130 --> 00:53:01,680 saw it which would have been just 1389 00:53:05,450 --> 00:53:04,140 minutes before we ran into it just 1390 00:53:06,650 --> 00:53:05,460 minutes before 1391 00:53:08,809 --> 00:53:06,660 because 1392 00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:08,819 you know we live next door to them I 1393 00:53:12,049 --> 00:53:10,319 mean we could they used to walk to the 1394 00:53:14,089 --> 00:53:12,059 school bus with me 1395 00:53:16,670 --> 00:53:14,099 and so 1396 00:53:19,069 --> 00:53:16,680 you know you're talking maybe 1397 00:53:20,750 --> 00:53:19,079 three miles from where we were right 1398 00:53:22,910 --> 00:53:20,760 that close 1399 00:53:24,530 --> 00:53:22,920 yeah that's fascinating it's good to be 1400 00:53:26,329 --> 00:53:24,540 able to put it on a map or a timeline 1401 00:53:29,930 --> 00:53:26,339 and show you know to get that better 1402 00:53:32,089 --> 00:53:29,940 picture of it yeah so yeah so you know 1403 00:53:33,470 --> 00:53:32,099 when it came to the actual show then on 1404 00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,480 Netflix was there anything you kind of 1405 00:53:37,970 --> 00:53:36,000 uh want to touch base on yeah whether 1406 00:53:39,770 --> 00:53:37,980 it's positive negative you know I'll 1407 00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:39,780 leave it I'll leave it up to you all 1408 00:53:41,809 --> 00:53:40,440 right 1409 00:53:43,970 --> 00:53:41,819 um the positives 1410 00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:43,980 it was the only show to show the path 1411 00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:46,260 that it took okay 1412 00:53:53,690 --> 00:53:49,440 um they uh they did a good job all in 1413 00:53:57,710 --> 00:53:55,849 they they focused on the radio station 1414 00:54:00,530 --> 00:53:57,720 which was important but I don't think 1415 00:54:02,510 --> 00:54:00,540 they mentioned that uh you know Tom J he 1416 00:54:03,890 --> 00:54:02,520 was a ham radio operator back in the day 1417 00:54:06,589 --> 00:54:03,900 and he heard some of the stuff over the 1418 00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,599 ham radio yeah uh called the police the 1419 00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:08,880 police at the time didn't you know 1420 00:54:12,410 --> 00:54:11,040 didn't staff the police department you 1421 00:54:14,569 --> 00:54:12,420 know at 11 12 o'clock at night because 1422 00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:14,579 you're talking about a town but you know 1423 00:54:19,250 --> 00:54:16,200 not that many people right so they went 1424 00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:19,260 home and and so with that they had asked 1425 00:54:23,870 --> 00:54:21,599 him to go on the radio and break in and 1426 00:54:25,130 --> 00:54:23,880 say Hey listen anybody out there you 1427 00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:25,140 know see what's going on can you call 1428 00:54:29,089 --> 00:54:27,599 the Station you know and so that was the 1429 00:54:31,490 --> 00:54:29,099 role he played which they kind of 1430 00:54:32,210 --> 00:54:31,500 touched on it but they really didn't and 1431 00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:32,220 then 1432 00:54:37,069 --> 00:54:34,980 um you know the uh the next day the 1433 00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,079 radio station you know played a lot of 1434 00:54:41,630 --> 00:54:39,359 their the calls that came in and in the 1435 00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:41,640 80s they still had the archives so in 1436 00:54:44,930 --> 00:54:42,960 the 80s one when this was gone to the 1437 00:54:47,569 --> 00:54:44,940 U.N they actually replayed it so they 1438 00:54:49,549 --> 00:54:47,579 did have copies into the 80s 1439 00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:49,559 um now it's Tom J if it passed away but 1440 00:54:53,569 --> 00:54:51,839 his wife was still around and was 1441 00:54:55,849 --> 00:54:53,579 willing to talk so I don't know why she 1442 00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:55,859 didn't get on the show because DJ's wife 1443 00:54:59,690 --> 00:54:57,359 was actually still alive to this day and 1444 00:55:00,829 --> 00:54:59,700 lives in the same house wow they did say 1445 00:55:03,890 --> 00:55:00,839 that they didn't know where the tapes 1446 00:55:06,130 --> 00:55:03,900 were today well according to her Tom J's 1447 00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:06,140 wife she thinks that they're in Arizona 1448 00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:08,940 at their children's home so whether they 1449 00:55:12,530 --> 00:55:10,319 are aren't I don't know but apparently 1450 00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:12,540 after Tom J passed there were all these 1451 00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:15,119 uh these boxes from the station that 1452 00:55:20,270 --> 00:55:17,520 went to their families right 1453 00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:20,280 um with that so um a lot of that could 1454 00:55:23,569 --> 00:55:22,140 have been in the show but it wasn't and 1455 00:55:25,549 --> 00:55:23,579 then one of the things I will say is 1456 00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:25,559 this okay so 1457 00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:28,559 the incident took place in Sheffield 1458 00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:29,760 okay 1459 00:55:33,950 --> 00:55:32,160 it also was seen in Great Barrington and 1460 00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:33,960 Pittsfield and Lennox in the whole bit 1461 00:55:38,089 --> 00:55:36,240 but it wasn't reported to the police 1462 00:55:41,390 --> 00:55:38,099 department in those towns 1463 00:55:43,549 --> 00:55:41,400 it was reported by the radio station 1464 00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:43,559 to the Great Barrington Police 1465 00:55:48,109 --> 00:55:45,359 Department that it was seen over 1466 00:55:50,030 --> 00:55:48,119 Sheffield right so it wouldn't be in a 1467 00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:50,040 Great Barrington Police Department's 1468 00:55:55,010 --> 00:55:51,359 notes 1469 00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:55,020 when agerman the golfers at egremont you 1470 00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:56,400 know they were teeing off and everything 1471 00:56:00,890 --> 00:55:58,079 and had their pallets set on some 1472 00:56:03,710 --> 00:56:00,900 champagne and a steak when they reported 1473 00:56:05,930 --> 00:56:03,720 it they called the radio station because 1474 00:56:08,450 --> 00:56:05,940 a girl had an outdoor radio pocket radio 1475 00:56:10,130 --> 00:56:08,460 thing and they called they went in and 1476 00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,140 uses black dial phone and they called 1477 00:56:15,049 --> 00:56:12,960 the radio station which at that point 1478 00:56:16,730 --> 00:56:15,059 went to Sheffield 1479 00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,740 there were no reports in Great 1480 00:56:21,470 --> 00:56:18,720 Barrington Melanie's family didn't 1481 00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:21,480 report it they went home Melanie wasn't 1482 00:56:24,650 --> 00:56:23,280 there to report it she wasn't didn't 1483 00:56:26,270 --> 00:56:24,660 find herself back in that street till 1484 00:56:28,790 --> 00:56:26,280 the next morning 1485 00:56:30,589 --> 00:56:28,800 um you know uh Jan green who was on 1486 00:56:32,690 --> 00:56:30,599 Unsolved Mysteries went to the radio 1487 00:56:35,390 --> 00:56:32,700 station the reports were going to the 1488 00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,400 radio station they were contacting the 1489 00:56:39,650 --> 00:56:37,200 Sheffield Police Department because it 1490 00:56:41,329 --> 00:56:39,660 wasn't seen in Great Barrington 1491 00:56:42,890 --> 00:56:41,339 so anyway 1492 00:56:45,650 --> 00:56:42,900 um with that 1493 00:56:48,589 --> 00:56:45,660 in the show they show 1494 00:56:50,329 --> 00:56:48,599 um you know uh what's his name glotta uh 1495 00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:50,339 the family Galata was the police chief 1496 00:56:53,569 --> 00:56:52,319 and his son who was in the show so 1497 00:56:55,130 --> 00:56:53,579 that's my dad you know hunting or 1498 00:56:56,510 --> 00:56:55,140 whatever it was so that was his gas 1499 00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:56,520 station a lot of his gas station he's a 1500 00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:57,599 good guy by the way he's still in the 1501 00:57:01,490 --> 00:56:59,280 school family not so much him but his 1502 00:57:03,410 --> 00:57:01,500 brother Tony anyway 1503 00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:03,420 um they used to come in our our 1504 00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:05,040 restaurant and he really liked the fries 1505 00:57:07,970 --> 00:57:07,140 again you know the whole thing but 1506 00:57:10,430 --> 00:57:07,980 anyway 1507 00:57:12,049 --> 00:57:10,440 um he talks about how he got the call 1508 00:57:15,650 --> 00:57:12,059 and his father who was the chief of 1509 00:57:17,089 --> 00:57:15,660 police in the area small town they went 1510 00:57:19,490 --> 00:57:17,099 out and looked for it because they 1511 00:57:22,609 --> 00:57:19,500 people were reporting seeing it land 1512 00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:22,619 wow so they should have focused on that 1513 00:57:26,510 --> 00:57:25,200 more yeah and not bring in some officer 1514 00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,520 going well I don't do anything well 1515 00:57:29,329 --> 00:57:28,079 because it wasn't reported to you you 1516 00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:29,339 know 1517 00:57:34,910 --> 00:57:31,260 um and besides something else too people 1518 00:57:37,849 --> 00:57:34,920 get this you can't uh a citing is not a 1519 00:57:40,790 --> 00:57:37,859 police report it's not a crime 1520 00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:40,800 right they know that they they you know 1521 00:57:44,990 --> 00:57:43,680 why would a document driven program you 1522 00:57:47,630 --> 00:57:45,000 know lead people to believe something 1523 00:57:51,290 --> 00:57:47,640 when they know better right so if I if 1524 00:57:52,670 --> 00:57:51,300 you saw a UFO outside your podcast right 1525 00:57:55,370 --> 00:57:52,680 now right 1526 00:57:57,710 --> 00:57:55,380 it's not a crime you can't file a police 1527 00:58:00,589 --> 00:57:57,720 report there's been no crime committed 1528 00:58:01,970 --> 00:58:00,599 exactly but there are signings there are 1529 00:58:08,030 --> 00:58:01,980 statements 1530 00:58:09,410 --> 00:58:08,040 ship Great Barrington wouldn't have 1531 00:58:11,210 --> 00:58:09,420 anything 1532 00:58:13,010 --> 00:58:11,220 reported because it wasn't it was so 1533 00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:13,020 crime committed and it wasn't reported 1534 00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:14,640 to them to begin with that was that was 1535 00:58:19,069 --> 00:58:16,559 not in my opinion they should have done 1536 00:58:21,650 --> 00:58:19,079 that I mean yeah I mean it's 1537 00:58:23,329 --> 00:58:21,660 understandable absolutely a weak link to 1538 00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:23,339 it along with 1539 00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:24,960 you know someone else that shouldn't 1540 00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:25,920 have been in the show but that's all 1541 00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:28,559 right no yeah I mean I'd still I'd still 1542 00:58:31,970 --> 00:58:30,000 recommend to anybody watching or 1543 00:58:34,569 --> 00:58:31,980 listening to go check it out you know 1544 00:58:37,069 --> 00:58:34,579 it's it's it's well put together I mean 1545 00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:37,079 now if you've watched or listened to 1546 00:58:40,250 --> 00:58:38,760 this interview and then go and watch it 1547 00:58:42,530 --> 00:58:40,260 for the first time at least you know 1548 00:58:44,690 --> 00:58:42,540 what to look for and also we mentioned 1549 00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:44,700 earlier on the uh Amar and the yes 1550 00:58:48,109 --> 00:58:46,319 Theory YouTube channel came out and 1551 00:58:49,549 --> 00:58:48,119 filled with you but I've linked their 1552 00:58:50,930 --> 00:58:49,559 sort of mini documentary in the 1553 00:58:52,430 --> 00:58:50,940 description and that's definitely worth 1554 00:58:53,809 --> 00:58:52,440 watching they cover it really well 1555 00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:53,819 there's some better ones I mean I think 1556 00:58:57,890 --> 00:58:55,200 one of the best shows ever done on us 1557 00:58:59,690 --> 00:58:57,900 was travel channels um UFO witness was 1558 00:59:02,329 --> 00:58:59,700 good but uh probably the best one to be 1559 00:59:05,390 --> 00:59:02,339 honest with you was uh travel channels 1560 00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:05,400 um UFO undercover uh they talk about my 1561 00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:07,440 father the pop being a politician they 1562 00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:09,359 talk about how the state you know 1563 00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:11,520 inducted it I mean that was a very good 1564 00:59:16,490 --> 00:59:14,640 documentary that was by far the best I 1565 00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:16,500 think that they um they went a little 1566 00:59:20,690 --> 00:59:18,000 further you know there's this box right 1567 00:59:23,210 --> 00:59:20,700 they want to stay the you know within 1568 00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:23,220 those Realms you know and leave it kind 1569 00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:25,440 of Huawei and leave out what really 1570 00:59:28,970 --> 00:59:26,480 matters 1571 00:59:30,890 --> 00:59:28,980 that particular show 1572 00:59:32,990 --> 00:59:30,900 um I was on it with Lauren Eisenhower 1573 00:59:34,190 --> 00:59:33,000 you know his father was also a 1574 00:59:36,170 --> 00:59:34,200 grandfather you know President 1575 00:59:38,270 --> 00:59:36,180 Eisenhower sure and of course my father 1576 00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:38,280 was a political person so the two of us 1577 00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:40,559 got in that show together 1578 00:59:44,510 --> 00:59:42,240 um because of the government type of 1579 00:59:47,089 --> 00:59:44,520 thing it was good timing you know and um 1580 00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:47,099 and so uh with that they dug a little 1581 00:59:50,510 --> 00:59:48,960 deeper you know they they really did 1582 00:59:51,710 --> 00:59:50,520 they talked about the crop circles they 1583 00:59:53,329 --> 00:59:51,720 showed the crop circles they took 1584 00:59:56,210 --> 00:59:53,339 pictures of that they actually have a 1585 00:59:57,710 --> 00:59:56,220 picture of the sphere in the area 1586 01:00:00,349 --> 00:59:57,720 um you know and again 1587 01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:00,359 um you know mention uh my father and 1588 01:00:05,569 --> 01:00:04,079 that kind of a deeper dive and and um 1589 01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:05,579 you know they weren't afraid to take 1590 01:00:09,530 --> 01:00:07,440 some chances I guess is the best way to 1591 01:00:11,569 --> 01:00:09,540 word it just like yes Theory I mean they 1592 01:00:14,690 --> 01:00:11,579 were they were amazing they did a great 1593 01:00:15,710 --> 01:00:14,700 job so absolutely that I recommend so 1594 01:00:19,130 --> 01:00:15,720 I'm going to go and try and find that 1595 01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:19,140 Travel Channel UFO yeah it's on Vimeo I 1596 01:00:22,849 --> 01:00:21,359 think okay okay I'll find out the link 1597 01:00:23,930 --> 01:00:22,859 to it if you want but oh that'd be good 1598 01:00:26,210 --> 01:00:23,940 that'd be great because I could be 1599 01:00:28,130 --> 01:00:26,220 searching for a long time here I 1600 01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:28,140 appreciate it please do now listen Tom 1601 01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:29,760 before we finish off I did just want to 1602 01:00:34,970 --> 01:00:33,359 talk about UFO Expo oh yeah sure you 1603 01:00:36,650 --> 01:00:34,980 know you've graciously invited me to to 1604 01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:36,660 virtually speak in the event I can't 1605 01:00:40,490 --> 01:00:38,640 wait to do that and yeah but yeah I 1606 01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:40,500 wanted to just at least show the website 1607 01:00:43,849 --> 01:00:42,000 and you can kind of want to talk us 1608 01:00:46,130 --> 01:00:43,859 through it just uh okay because it's 1609 01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:46,140 such a unique event so 1610 01:00:51,049 --> 01:00:50,160 okay yeah yeah UFO Expo 1611 01:00:52,970 --> 01:00:51,059 um 1612 01:00:54,650 --> 01:00:52,980 is a conference that I used to hold in 1613 01:00:58,190 --> 01:00:54,660 Massachusetts and Salem Mass and Florida 1614 01:01:00,530 --> 01:00:58,200 and that was approached by Roswell to 1615 01:01:02,569 --> 01:01:00,540 um the city of Roswell if you will uh 1616 01:01:05,329 --> 01:01:02,579 and Elizabeth Michael specifically to 1617 01:01:07,069 --> 01:01:05,339 move it there because the uh you know 1618 01:01:10,670 --> 01:01:07,079 the town is known for this type of a 1619 01:01:13,010 --> 01:01:10,680 topic and uh and Roswell played a part 1620 01:01:15,170 --> 01:01:13,020 in getting our case inducted into United 1621 01:01:17,630 --> 01:01:15,180 States history so when they asked me if 1622 01:01:19,970 --> 01:01:17,640 I'd move it there I was like sure you 1623 01:01:22,250 --> 01:01:19,980 know let's do it and uh so we got an 1624 01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:22,260 unbelievable lineup I mean we're going 1625 01:01:27,890 --> 01:01:25,440 to have um primary speakers secondary uh 1626 01:01:29,809 --> 01:01:27,900 virtual speakers coming in 1627 01:01:31,789 --> 01:01:29,819 um you know Toby's going to be there 1628 01:01:35,150 --> 01:01:31,799 you're going to be part of it 1629 01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:35,160 um we've got a film uh Fest happening uh 1630 01:01:39,530 --> 01:01:36,720 we're gonna have a little bit of Cosplay 1631 01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:39,540 there's a woman that I'm speaking with 1632 01:01:47,569 --> 01:01:44,400 Elena who uh runs galacticon and uh 1633 01:01:50,809 --> 01:01:47,579 because yeah because there's uh you know 1634 01:01:52,549 --> 01:01:50,819 two colleges nearby and uh we thought 1635 01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:52,559 you know why not add a little cosplay 1636 01:01:56,329 --> 01:01:54,960 competition thing have some fun with 1637 01:01:58,010 --> 01:01:56,339 that 1638 01:01:59,089 --> 01:01:58,020 um we're gonna have what's called tracks 1639 01:02:01,309 --> 01:01:59,099 they're not going to be the same old 1640 01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:01,319 same old where we're going to just stand 1641 01:02:05,329 --> 01:02:03,119 behind a Podium and go down memory lane 1642 01:02:08,089 --> 01:02:05,339 we're going to talk about the subject as 1643 01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:08,099 a whole so sure Travis Walton Fire in 1644 01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:09,839 the Sky Maybe present a couple other 1645 01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:12,240 people from you know from a truck that 1646 01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:13,920 night you know and talks about things 1647 01:02:17,030 --> 01:02:15,119 that he something a little bit different 1648 01:02:19,069 --> 01:02:17,040 we want to broaden it so we're going to 1649 01:02:21,770 --> 01:02:19,079 have the primary speaker be an interview 1650 01:02:24,289 --> 01:02:21,780 with two chairs on stage no Podium glass 1651 01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,299 of water between you know talking like 1652 01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:26,400 friends and then have the screen behind 1653 01:02:30,589 --> 01:02:28,799 where we'll show a clip and then Skype 1654 01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:30,599 somebody else in or Zoom someone else in 1655 01:02:34,609 --> 01:02:32,880 to talk about that as a group and then 1656 01:02:37,069 --> 01:02:34,619 take a microphone go around the room and 1657 01:02:39,230 --> 01:02:37,079 talk about it so it's more interactive 1658 01:02:41,210 --> 01:02:39,240 we're going to get more people talking 1659 01:02:42,829 --> 01:02:41,220 and asking questions to these people 1660 01:02:45,170 --> 01:02:42,839 that they normally just have to sit on a 1661 01:02:46,910 --> 01:02:45,180 fold-out chair for an hour and a half to 1662 01:02:49,370 --> 01:02:46,920 try to think it all in you're like you 1663 01:02:51,650 --> 01:02:49,380 know I need you know ah God it's like 1664 01:02:54,109 --> 01:02:51,660 you know for two hours right so we're 1665 01:02:55,609 --> 01:02:54,119 we're gonna try to open it up and bring 1666 01:02:58,370 --> 01:02:55,619 something a little bit different so 1667 01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:58,380 again you know Steve Bassett you know 1668 01:03:04,010 --> 01:03:00,720 um you know Tyrone Vaughn actually who's 1669 01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:04,020 related to uh Stevie Ray Vaughan he uh 1670 01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:07,680 gave us a guitar to auction off at the 1671 01:03:12,890 --> 01:03:10,799 event so it's signed by Melissa Tittle 1672 01:03:16,130 --> 01:03:12,900 and and Rita King she's the daughter of 1673 01:03:18,770 --> 01:03:16,140 BB King she's gonna be um she's part of 1674 01:03:20,270 --> 01:03:18,780 it yeah so it is it's just a unique 1675 01:03:22,450 --> 01:03:20,280 event and I'm just yeah I'm just so 1676 01:03:26,510 --> 01:03:22,460 honored to be a part of it 1677 01:03:28,010 --> 01:03:26,520 yeah at once again everybody that's 1678 01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:28,020 interested the Link's in the description 1679 01:03:32,030 --> 01:03:30,480 of the video as well you know um so will 1680 01:03:33,650 --> 01:03:32,040 you be selling virtual tickets can 1681 01:03:35,210 --> 01:03:33,660 people watch if they can't make it in 1682 01:03:38,450 --> 01:03:35,220 person oh you know a lot of people ask 1683 01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:38,460 us that but um you know it's not 1684 01:03:43,549 --> 01:03:41,280 available and you know right now to be 1685 01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:43,559 honest with you we have um it's such a 1686 01:03:48,410 --> 01:03:46,079 big event that theoretically we could 1687 01:03:50,450 --> 01:03:48,420 sell these tickets for 250 to 300 I mean 1688 01:03:52,549 --> 01:03:50,460 let's think about it you saw it I mean 1689 01:03:55,549 --> 01:03:52,559 that's only part of it you know there's 1690 01:03:58,130 --> 01:03:55,559 a lot of money invested in this one and 1691 01:04:01,370 --> 01:03:58,140 uh yeah you know uh we're also working 1692 01:04:04,849 --> 01:04:01,380 with the city of Roswell as as well to 1693 01:04:07,130 --> 01:04:04,859 re uh Kindle or start the uh Main Street 1694 01:04:09,289 --> 01:04:07,140 Roswell event too and of course the 1695 01:04:11,690 --> 01:04:09,299 Roswell Daily Record is part of it so so 1696 01:04:13,849 --> 01:04:11,700 we really want to keep it you know it's 1697 01:04:16,730 --> 01:04:13,859 a way to say hey thanks to Roswell let's 1698 01:04:18,650 --> 01:04:16,740 do something awesome for you maybe next 1699 01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:18,660 year we broaden it or something but this 1700 01:04:24,049 --> 01:04:21,599 year we're gonna try to just it's our 1701 01:04:25,970 --> 01:04:24,059 way too of saying thanks but at the same 1702 01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:25,980 time it's a good opportunity to bring 1703 01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:28,079 something uh different to Roswell now 1704 01:04:30,829 --> 01:04:29,760 think about this too the Fourth of July 1705 01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:30,839 when they have their Festival there's 1706 01:04:33,950 --> 01:04:32,400 only so many flights there's only so 1707 01:04:36,530 --> 01:04:33,960 many planes there's only so many hotel 1708 01:04:39,049 --> 01:04:36,540 rooms right and so not everybody can 1709 01:04:40,670 --> 01:04:39,059 always go Fourth of July weekend but now 1710 01:04:43,309 --> 01:04:40,680 they have an event to go to during 1711 01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:43,319 spring break and now they can also go to 1712 01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:44,880 the museum now they can also see what 1713 01:04:50,450 --> 01:04:46,980 Roswell has to offer you know at the 1714 01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:50,460 same time without you know you know you 1715 01:04:55,370 --> 01:04:53,280 had spring break is you've got colleges 1716 01:04:57,289 --> 01:04:55,380 everywhere right you've got if I I know 1717 01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:57,299 if I lived outside Roswell I'd want to 1718 01:05:00,890 --> 01:04:58,799 see a festival there again I don't want 1719 01:05:02,569 --> 01:05:00,900 to hear something else you know you have 1720 01:05:04,849 --> 01:05:02,579 the same thing a lot right you have the 1721 01:05:07,309 --> 01:05:04,859 speakers the same event kind of thing so 1722 01:05:09,710 --> 01:05:07,319 it brings something new that complements 1723 01:05:11,569 --> 01:05:09,720 what's in place it's not taking you know 1724 01:05:13,789 --> 01:05:11,579 over something or it's not going to be 1725 01:05:17,210 --> 01:05:13,799 compared to something else it's just 1726 01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:17,220 something different and um so I'm really 1727 01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:18,480 looking forward to it I mean it's gonna 1728 01:05:22,490 --> 01:05:20,400 be awesome and also gives me an 1729 01:05:23,870 --> 01:05:22,500 opportunity to clear the air on things 1730 01:05:25,549 --> 01:05:23,880 that some things I really can't say in 1731 01:05:27,890 --> 01:05:25,559 the air that we've talked about off the 1732 01:05:30,230 --> 01:05:27,900 air because sure yeah I understand some 1733 01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:30,240 things are just not cool you know what I 1734 01:05:35,089 --> 01:05:32,640 mean so it gives me an opportunity to 1735 01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:35,099 add to what happened with our family at 1736 01:05:39,470 --> 01:05:37,200 the same time uh pay something back to 1737 01:05:41,870 --> 01:05:39,480 Roswell and have my friends hang out and 1738 01:05:43,700 --> 01:05:41,880 uh have some drinks with everybody have 1739 01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:43,710 you ever done a shot with Travis Walton 1740 01:05:55,250 --> 01:05:53,210 UFO Expo you can there you go that's 1741 01:05:56,930 --> 01:05:55,260 amazing well I'm honored to be a part of 1742 01:05:58,430 --> 01:05:56,940 it I can't wait to present what what 1743 01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:58,440 I've been working on 1744 01:06:01,609 --> 01:06:00,240 um I'm really excited for that but uh 1745 01:06:03,170 --> 01:06:01,619 again this has been an absolutely 1746 01:06:05,390 --> 01:06:03,180 wonderful conversation I knew it would 1747 01:06:07,069 --> 01:06:05,400 be I really really appreciate appreciate 1748 01:06:10,370 --> 01:06:07,079 you taking the time out 1749 01:06:12,170 --> 01:06:10,380 um and I'm sure you have the documents 1750 01:06:13,789 --> 01:06:12,180 can you put those up real quick the uh 1751 01:06:15,230 --> 01:06:13,799 do you have the one from the governor I 1752 01:06:18,349 --> 01:06:15,240 want to touch on something real quick I 1753 01:06:20,690 --> 01:06:18,359 do indeed yeah bear with me don't want 1754 01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:20,700 to keep it no no no not at all did you 1755 01:06:24,049 --> 01:06:21,839 want the history is that the Historical 1756 01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:24,059 Society letter well that would put that 1757 01:06:29,870 --> 01:06:25,920 up real quick if you don't mind I don't 1758 01:06:31,609 --> 01:06:29,880 mind at all yeah so okay so I have this 1759 01:06:34,010 --> 01:06:31,619 one can you blow it up a little bit or 1760 01:06:36,650 --> 01:06:34,020 no yeah yeah oh wow all right so you see 1761 01:06:38,809 --> 01:06:36,660 where this will give you an idea of the 1762 01:06:41,089 --> 01:06:38,819 amount of information that came to them 1763 01:06:41,870 --> 01:06:41,099 so if you look at 1764 01:06:46,029 --> 01:06:41,880 um 1765 01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:46,039 uh let's see okay uh wsbs radio station 1766 01:06:51,710 --> 01:06:49,200 it talks about the September 1st 1969 1767 01:06:54,170 --> 01:06:51,720 incident yeah um and that was it was 1768 01:06:56,329 --> 01:06:54,180 issued a high net classification that 1769 01:06:59,690 --> 01:06:56,339 was from the golfers 1770 01:07:01,430 --> 01:06:59,700 at eagermont Country Club right and 1771 01:07:02,870 --> 01:07:01,440 that's because it was so high they had a 1772 01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:02,880 view of it 1773 01:07:07,970 --> 01:07:06,000 um and then um Jay Alan heineck and um 1774 01:07:11,390 --> 01:07:07,980 for whatever reason even though it took 1775 01:07:13,309 --> 01:07:11,400 place in 1969 it never made Project Blue 1776 01:07:16,130 --> 01:07:13,319 Book Project Blue Book ended that year 1777 01:07:18,049 --> 01:07:16,140 yeah never actually got in there but it 1778 01:07:19,549 --> 01:07:18,059 was issued behind the classification it 1779 01:07:21,890 --> 01:07:19,559 just never got entered which is 1780 01:07:23,150 --> 01:07:21,900 unfortunate too however 1781 01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:23,160 um and you know if you look at the rest 1782 01:07:28,010 --> 01:07:25,200 of it too to uh you know factual 1783 01:07:29,690 --> 01:07:28,020 corroborated evidence and the polygraph 1784 01:07:32,569 --> 01:07:29,700 tests that I had to take for them I mean 1785 01:07:35,089 --> 01:07:32,579 there was a lot they didn't just 1786 01:07:37,130 --> 01:07:35,099 you know jump on this 1787 01:07:40,490 --> 01:07:37,140 for you know right away this they 1788 01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:40,500 investigated this for two years yeah 1789 01:07:44,809 --> 01:07:43,440 yeah it's amazing the one the one from 1790 01:07:47,210 --> 01:07:44,819 the governor 1791 01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:47,220 okay here's something else now this 1792 01:07:52,730 --> 01:07:49,200 particular one that you have 1793 01:07:56,089 --> 01:07:53,950 oh 1794 01:08:01,549 --> 01:07:56,099 and I'm going to explain this okay 1795 01:08:04,609 --> 01:08:01,559 please please yeah so if you look at the 1796 01:08:06,289 --> 01:08:04,619 citations and some of the uh stuff 1797 01:08:08,089 --> 01:08:06,299 that's floating around out there for 1798 01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:08,099 those who don't like the topic you know 1799 01:08:12,170 --> 01:08:10,079 Fallen Angels whatever the problem is 1800 01:08:14,990 --> 01:08:12,180 they have with this topic you'll see 1801 01:08:18,610 --> 01:08:15,000 that they'll say the governor rescinded 1802 01:08:24,590 --> 01:08:21,709 that's the one he took back if you look 1803 01:08:27,229 --> 01:08:24,600 in there there is no date of when it 1804 01:08:30,169 --> 01:08:27,239 took place right yep 1805 01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:30,179 he reissued one two weeks later in 1806 01:08:33,650 --> 01:08:31,199 November 1807 01:08:36,650 --> 01:08:33,660 so you have these reporters that go oh 1808 01:08:39,470 --> 01:08:36,660 didn't the governor you know rescind his 1809 01:08:42,289 --> 01:08:39,480 citation well okay he rescinded the 1810 01:08:44,269 --> 01:08:42,299 first one because he amended it and 1811 01:08:46,189 --> 01:08:44,279 reissued it 1812 01:08:49,130 --> 01:08:46,199 so if you go to the website you'll see 1813 01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:49,140 the new one that has the date and so 1814 01:08:52,370 --> 01:08:50,400 that's something I wanted to clarify 1815 01:08:53,930 --> 01:08:52,380 then they talked about taking the 1816 01:08:57,470 --> 01:08:53,940 monument remember about that oh they 1817 01:08:59,689 --> 01:08:57,480 moved the monument yeah all right they 1818 01:09:01,070 --> 01:08:59,699 removed that they act there it is if you 1819 01:09:01,849 --> 01:09:01,080 blow that up you'll see the dates on 1820 01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:01,859 that one 1821 01:09:05,990 --> 01:09:04,319 that's the amended one yeah September 1822 01:09:07,849 --> 01:09:06,000 1st 69. 1823 01:09:09,890 --> 01:09:07,859 right and that's the bridge in the 1824 01:09:13,610 --> 01:09:09,900 background right that's it we were 1825 01:09:17,510 --> 01:09:13,620 coming out left to right okay right and 1826 01:09:19,849 --> 01:09:17,520 where that uh White sphere was that also 1827 01:09:21,530 --> 01:09:19,859 fired these rods of like poles of light 1828 01:09:23,329 --> 01:09:21,540 in the water is right about right about 1829 01:09:26,269 --> 01:09:23,339 where that is where your cursor is a 1830 01:09:29,450 --> 01:09:26,279 little here okay just on this yeah you 1831 01:09:31,610 --> 01:09:29,460 can see the water to the right of the uh 1832 01:09:32,930 --> 01:09:31,620 Monument on the right corner oh of 1833 01:09:36,590 --> 01:09:32,940 course yeah I didn't even notice that 1834 01:09:38,150 --> 01:09:36,600 right okay and the other one the one 1835 01:09:39,530 --> 01:09:38,160 that was like an iron sphere was to the 1836 01:09:41,630 --> 01:09:39,540 left of the bridge quite a ways down 1837 01:09:44,150 --> 01:09:41,640 actually so we actually came out so you 1838 01:09:45,650 --> 01:09:44,160 can tell if if just by looking at this 1839 01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:45,660 the the white sphere would have been 1840 01:09:48,769 --> 01:09:47,520 kind of where that water is the other 1841 01:09:49,789 --> 01:09:48,779 one would have been on the other side we 1842 01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:49,799 split them 1843 01:09:53,630 --> 01:09:51,839 yeah then as we went down the road right 1844 01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:53,640 past this where this marker is right 1845 01:09:58,370 --> 01:09:55,679 here that's where we came into the craft 1846 01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:58,380 so we were sitting between all three 1847 01:10:02,930 --> 01:10:00,000 pieces 1848 01:10:04,130 --> 01:10:02,940 yeah there's always down there and then 1849 01:10:06,590 --> 01:10:04,140 you've got the other craft would have 1850 01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:06,600 been over here right that's a good shot 1851 01:10:10,010 --> 01:10:07,440 too 1852 01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:10,020 yep there's a little uh sign that we're 1853 01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:12,719 or uh right there yeah that centerpiece 1854 01:10:19,070 --> 01:10:14,880 was donated by History Channels Ancient 1855 01:10:21,169 --> 01:10:19,080 Aliens oh wow yeah and uh the sculpture 1856 01:10:23,810 --> 01:10:21,179 itself was built by Len Morneau who's 1857 01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:23,820 the brother of Louis marneau who 1858 01:10:28,729 --> 01:10:25,440 directed the movie bats with Lou Diamond 1859 01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:28,739 and Phillips way back in the day wow so 1860 01:10:33,709 --> 01:10:31,440 that so what they did is the see how the 1861 01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:33,719 bridge is actually I'm hoping to you 1862 01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:35,040 know taking up too much of your time but 1863 01:10:38,810 --> 01:10:36,719 do you see what those poles are yeah 1864 01:10:39,709 --> 01:10:38,820 yeah okay those ballards in the Rocks 1865 01:10:43,610 --> 01:10:39,719 yeah 1866 01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:43,620 the town had an easement or what I would 1867 01:10:49,070 --> 01:10:46,080 say is a Rite of Passage to go through 1868 01:10:49,990 --> 01:10:49,080 this land this land is owned by a dairy 1869 01:10:52,430 --> 01:10:50,000 farm 1870 01:10:53,810 --> 01:10:52,440 to get back up a little bit I'll show 1871 01:10:55,790 --> 01:10:53,820 you something okay and by the way that 1872 01:10:59,090 --> 01:10:55,800 house in the background that's Larkins 1873 01:11:00,830 --> 01:10:59,100 his his son was a witness to it too he's 1874 01:11:03,490 --> 01:11:00,840 a police officer now 1875 01:11:06,530 --> 01:11:03,500 so right here if you see this path right 1876 01:11:08,090 --> 01:11:06,540 the town when they block yep that's 1877 01:11:09,890 --> 01:11:08,100 that's basically the road that's the 1878 01:11:12,350 --> 01:11:09,900 road we drove on right that's not even a 1879 01:11:14,510 --> 01:11:12,360 road it's like a path right yeah so 1880 01:11:17,149 --> 01:11:14,520 those ballards when the town put those 1881 01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:17,159 ballards up in front of the bridge they 1882 01:11:21,410 --> 01:11:20,159 not only forbid their own from going 1883 01:11:24,410 --> 01:11:21,420 through it to use it for emergency 1884 01:11:27,790 --> 01:11:24,420 vehicles but they also denied the land 1885 01:11:31,010 --> 01:11:27,800 owner rights wow well the town lost 1886 01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:31,020 their right of passage because they they 1887 01:11:34,729 --> 01:11:32,640 willingly and knowingly blocked 1888 01:11:37,490 --> 01:11:34,739 themselves off but what they also did 1889 01:11:40,090 --> 01:11:37,500 was now they also blocked passage or 1890 01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:40,100 entrance by the Pine Island Farms 1891 01:11:44,570 --> 01:11:42,960 workers so now they have to go all the 1892 01:11:47,870 --> 01:11:44,580 way around to use the road so the town 1893 01:11:50,570 --> 01:11:47,880 actually lost their rite of passage 1894 01:11:51,649 --> 01:11:50,580 but they pushed so hard to move that 1895 01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:51,659 marker 1896 01:11:55,850 --> 01:11:54,000 and the way they got it moved was to say 1897 01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:55,860 that it infringed 1898 01:12:01,610 --> 01:11:59,040 it's not blocking the road it infringed 1899 01:12:05,570 --> 01:12:01,620 on their 1900 01:12:07,310 --> 01:12:05,580 their expired right of passage 1901 01:12:09,290 --> 01:12:07,320 that is how 1902 01:12:11,630 --> 01:12:09,300 adamant they were that they didn't want 1903 01:12:14,570 --> 01:12:11,640 to be associated with the UFO topic 1904 01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:14,580 right but since then I've got them on 1905 01:12:19,310 --> 01:12:16,800 Ancient Aliens and everything else so 1906 01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:22,310 that's so fascinating it really is oh my 1907 01:12:26,750 --> 01:12:24,480 goodness okay well 1908 01:12:29,090 --> 01:12:26,760 you know I'm in no rush but I guess you 1909 01:12:31,010 --> 01:12:29,100 gotta go so it's all right questions 1910 01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:31,020 anybody in check any questions 1911 01:12:35,689 --> 01:12:33,840 I think most for just uh here we go 1912 01:12:36,890 --> 01:12:35,699 there's one here from una hi Tom thank 1913 01:12:38,810 --> 01:12:36,900 you for sharing all of this I wonder 1914 01:12:40,669 --> 01:12:38,820 have you had more sightings after the 1915 01:12:43,010 --> 01:12:40,679 first one if so were they similar or 1916 01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:43,020 different okay I will I will tell you 1917 01:12:49,970 --> 01:12:46,800 something so in uh 2009 my brother was 1918 01:12:52,070 --> 01:12:49,980 in Avon Indiana and he ended up being 1919 01:12:54,290 --> 01:12:52,080 part of the Kokomo boom do you remember 1920 01:12:55,550 --> 01:12:54,300 the Kokomo boom that's one you may want 1921 01:12:57,169 --> 01:12:55,560 to look up 1922 01:12:59,390 --> 01:12:57,179 um that's where Debbie Cabo Lives who 1923 01:13:04,010 --> 01:12:59,400 the the book Intruders was written about 1924 01:13:05,870 --> 01:13:04,020 her okay yep so it's the same Township 1925 01:13:08,450 --> 01:13:05,880 we're friends now but we didn't know 1926 01:13:09,950 --> 01:13:08,460 each other then and so my brother had uh 1927 01:13:12,110 --> 01:13:09,960 an incident he was at a movie theater 1928 01:13:14,450 --> 01:13:12,120 with his friends and they saw again that 1929 01:13:17,149 --> 01:13:14,460 orange ball sphere like we saw as kids 1930 01:13:19,189 --> 01:13:17,159 what you know well we still as a kid 1931 01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:19,199 though like I said when I talk about the 1932 01:13:23,090 --> 01:13:21,360 sphere the the orange sphere that we saw 1933 01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:23,100 back in the day was about the size of a 1934 01:13:28,130 --> 01:13:26,159 Volkswagen Bug wow a white one off to 1935 01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:28,140 the left was like four times larger it 1936 01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:30,480 was much bigger and my brother saw 1937 01:13:35,390 --> 01:13:32,640 something thing very similar in size 1938 01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:35,400 color and everything that almost 1939 01:13:40,729 --> 01:13:37,920 mirrored what we saw originally you know 1940 01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:40,739 that night yeah Sheffield Massachusetts 1941 01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:44,880 and and so he um he found himself off 1942 01:13:48,350 --> 01:13:46,560 the road he was like trying to follow 1943 01:13:51,229 --> 01:13:48,360 they were leaving a movie you know 1944 01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:51,239 anyway unknown to him that all these 1945 01:13:56,209 --> 01:13:53,280 people were reporting seeing that the 1946 01:13:58,010 --> 01:13:56,219 following day so he contacted the police 1947 01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:58,020 because he used to work for SWAT he was 1948 01:14:01,729 --> 01:13:59,760 part of that anyway he was a fugitive 1949 01:14:03,229 --> 01:14:01,739 recovery agent at the time and so he was 1950 01:14:04,669 --> 01:14:03,239 like yeah man I saw two right he's got 1951 01:14:06,350 --> 01:14:04,679 he's packing heat he's like they're not 1952 01:14:08,090 --> 01:14:06,360 gonna give me a hard time I'm working 1953 01:14:09,649 --> 01:14:08,100 with SWAT for God's sakes of course they 1954 01:14:11,149 --> 01:14:09,659 did they say well if you want to report 1955 01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:11,159 it call and ask and they joked with him 1956 01:14:16,729 --> 01:14:14,159 anyway that's when the Star Team came in 1957 01:14:18,050 --> 01:14:16,739 from mufon and so on and so forth and 1958 01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:18,060 all these people start taking it more 1959 01:14:23,149 --> 01:14:19,920 seriously because again it was a mass 1960 01:14:26,510 --> 01:14:23,159 sighting so he was part of that but 1961 01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:26,520 interesting though is that he remembers 1962 01:14:29,990 --> 01:14:28,320 having some type of an incident at night 1963 01:14:32,750 --> 01:14:30,000 in his bed 1964 01:14:34,729 --> 01:14:32,760 and oddly enough I did too and I 1965 01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:34,739 actually reported it to those I was 1966 01:14:39,770 --> 01:14:36,719 talking to so around the same time this 1967 01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:39,780 happened with him in Avon Indiana 1968 01:14:44,030 --> 01:14:41,760 I had something happen with me at the 1969 01:14:46,010 --> 01:14:44,040 house and so did my son 1970 01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:46,020 and we had a friend visiting from 1971 01:14:50,810 --> 01:14:48,480 Florida who was crashing in on a 1972 01:14:52,790 --> 01:14:50,820 mattress my son used to have the bonus 1973 01:14:55,070 --> 01:14:52,800 room and we threw a mattress out he was 1974 01:14:57,410 --> 01:14:55,080 you know last minute thing and they all 1975 01:15:01,790 --> 01:14:57,420 saw this light my brother 1976 01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:01,800 um remembers uh seeing images and and 1977 01:15:06,830 --> 01:15:04,320 his same thing my my son was talking 1978 01:15:08,930 --> 01:15:06,840 about when he said this light came in it 1979 01:15:11,530 --> 01:15:08,940 looked like a doorway over as bad that 1980 01:15:13,970 --> 01:15:11,540 like opened up like the size of a sheet 1981 01:15:15,709 --> 01:15:13,980 our his friend that was visiting from 1982 01:15:17,689 --> 01:15:15,719 Florida saw the same thing saw this 1983 01:15:20,750 --> 01:15:17,699 light he called his mother wanted to be 1984 01:15:22,910 --> 01:15:20,760 taken home I remember like almost half 1985 01:15:24,770 --> 01:15:22,920 it was the craziest thing with all this 1986 01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:24,780 like Paranormal Activity was happening 1987 01:15:28,010 --> 01:15:25,920 in our house 1988 01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:28,020 the same time was happening with his and 1989 01:15:34,610 --> 01:15:31,199 here's the kicker when he saw that his 1990 01:15:39,410 --> 01:15:34,620 son was turning six the same age my 1991 01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:39,420 brother was when he saw this in 1969. 1992 01:15:46,189 --> 01:15:43,679 so we have had to 1993 01:15:48,410 --> 01:15:46,199 come full circle here yeah we have had 1994 01:15:51,770 --> 01:15:48,420 paranormal things happen in our house 1995 01:15:54,590 --> 01:15:51,780 ever since you know uh you know smudge 1996 01:15:56,030 --> 01:15:54,600 marks things that we see uh hear sounds 1997 01:15:59,090 --> 01:15:56,040 like people walking up and down stairs 1998 01:16:00,649 --> 01:15:59,100 and it's so vivid it's so in your face 1999 01:16:01,850 --> 01:16:00,659 that you'll actually look at the stairs 2000 01:16:03,530 --> 01:16:01,860 and you'll hear it there's nothing up 2001 01:16:04,850 --> 01:16:03,540 the stairs I mean it's crazy and my 2002 01:16:06,590 --> 01:16:04,860 girlfriend was over a while back right 2003 01:16:07,850 --> 01:16:06,600 and she's like hanging out on bed she 2004 01:16:09,950 --> 01:16:07,860 had a good nice looking body right so 2005 01:16:11,330 --> 01:16:09,960 she's hanging out the bed right with 2006 01:16:13,010 --> 01:16:11,340 nothing on right we're watching TV and 2007 01:16:14,209 --> 01:16:13,020 stuff and all of a sudden you know we 2008 01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:14,219 hear these footsteps coming up the 2009 01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:15,360 stairs we're like oh my God it's gonna 2010 01:16:18,890 --> 01:16:17,040 be my son or something right so she's 2011 01:16:20,149 --> 01:16:18,900 grabbing a blanket covering herself and 2012 01:16:26,270 --> 01:16:20,159 I go to the door we'll be out in a 2013 01:16:30,169 --> 01:16:27,890 I mean they do say I mean a lot of 2014 01:16:31,729 --> 01:16:30,179 people say you know experiences once 2015 01:16:34,010 --> 01:16:31,739 they have that initial experience then 2016 01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:34,020 it kind of comes back or repeats you 2017 01:16:37,850 --> 01:16:35,760 know in a lot of cases so you know 2018 01:16:40,910 --> 01:16:37,860 that's just I hear about that a lot and 2019 01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:40,920 my mother her first incident was in 1954 2020 01:16:46,790 --> 01:16:43,920 right I don't talk about that much my 2021 01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:46,800 mother I've never seen something and uh 2022 01:16:50,750 --> 01:16:48,960 gooseneck Maine 2023 01:16:53,570 --> 01:16:50,760 um while her brother was being 2024 01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:53,580 interviewed at a college uh there you 2025 01:16:56,930 --> 01:16:55,199 know so here's another thing right this 2026 01:17:00,830 --> 01:16:56,940 is crazy ready first I know I'm rambling 2027 01:17:04,430 --> 01:17:00,840 so good so so my mother 2028 01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:04,440 had her first experience 2029 01:17:07,850 --> 01:17:06,480 in 1954 2030 01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:07,860 and 2031 01:17:14,270 --> 01:17:12,239 she was later on she bought a house that 2032 01:17:17,270 --> 01:17:14,280 was what was it 2033 01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:17,280 um oh my God it was 1554 and what had to 2034 01:17:21,770 --> 01:17:19,440 do with the same day it was relevant to 2035 01:17:24,890 --> 01:17:21,780 the date that she saw because she was 15 2036 01:17:28,250 --> 01:17:24,900 what she saw it in 1954 and she bought a 2037 01:17:30,110 --> 01:17:28,260 house that was 1954. then if you go back 2038 01:17:31,550 --> 01:17:30,120 to the article from the governor you're 2039 01:17:32,750 --> 01:17:31,560 going to pull it up or anything that was 2040 01:17:36,169 --> 01:17:32,760 issued 2041 01:17:38,630 --> 01:17:36,179 on my mother's birthday 2042 01:17:40,729 --> 01:17:38,640 look at the date it's October 17th or 20 2043 01:17:42,290 --> 01:17:40,739 what so I was issued on my mother's 2044 01:17:44,930 --> 01:17:42,300 birthday 2045 01:17:48,350 --> 01:17:44,940 um 27th actually should know that 2046 01:17:50,090 --> 01:17:48,360 um and and the Boston Globe article that 2047 01:17:53,930 --> 01:17:50,100 came out about us making U.S history 2048 01:17:55,850 --> 01:17:53,940 came out on my father's birthday 2049 01:17:58,430 --> 01:17:55,860 so many little so you look at my 2050 01:17:59,930 --> 01:17:58,440 father's death certificate and you look 2051 01:18:01,310 --> 01:17:59,940 at the article from the Boston Globe 2052 01:18:02,149 --> 01:18:01,320 that has our picture on it for making 2053 01:18:05,450 --> 01:18:02,159 history 2054 01:18:07,669 --> 01:18:05,460 same day that's crazy 2055 01:18:08,830 --> 01:18:07,679 oh I want you one more thing okay yeah 2056 01:18:11,450 --> 01:18:08,840 yeah okay 2057 01:18:13,010 --> 01:18:11,460 so this is something else that I very 2058 01:18:16,669 --> 01:18:13,020 seldom ever mentioned 2059 01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:16,679 um all right so do you remember uh a 2060 01:18:22,550 --> 01:18:19,920 movie with Susan St James uh it was 2061 01:18:25,310 --> 01:18:22,560 called the death and Canaan the Peter 2062 01:18:27,229 --> 01:18:25,320 Riley murder anybody listening right now 2063 01:18:30,110 --> 01:18:27,239 look it up a death in Canon the Peter 2064 01:18:31,790 --> 01:18:30,120 Riley murder Peter Riley trial the death 2065 01:18:35,209 --> 01:18:31,800 of Barbara Gibbons however at sport it's 2066 01:18:38,689 --> 01:18:35,219 been like three books a couple movies 2067 01:18:40,189 --> 01:18:38,699 okay so that happened not far from our 2068 01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:40,199 diner and by the way I'll tell you one 2069 01:18:44,990 --> 01:18:42,719 more thing too before I forget that the 2070 01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:45,000 Magnesium that was mined for the atom 2071 01:18:48,709 --> 01:18:45,840 bomb 2072 01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:48,719 was mined just miles from our diner 2073 01:18:52,430 --> 01:18:51,360 oh okay that's interesting okay that's 2074 01:18:55,990 --> 01:18:52,440 what I'm talking about a lot of 2075 01:18:58,910 --> 01:18:56,000 government yeah yeah so when my father 2076 01:19:00,590 --> 01:18:58,920 married my mom who she he came into the 2077 01:19:02,149 --> 01:19:00,600 diner she was getting picked on back in 2078 01:19:04,250 --> 01:19:02,159 the day in the 60s and he was from New 2079 01:19:05,630 --> 01:19:04,260 York and so he was like hey man you know 2080 01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:05,640 you want if you want that to eat here 2081 01:19:09,110 --> 01:19:07,440 you're gonna apologize otherwise you're 2082 01:19:10,490 --> 01:19:09,120 gonna eat you're gonna leave and my 2083 01:19:11,810 --> 01:19:10,500 mom's like my hero right so they ended 2084 01:19:13,310 --> 01:19:11,820 up dating they got married she taught 2085 01:19:15,530 --> 01:19:13,320 him how to ride a horse right so anyway 2086 01:19:17,149 --> 01:19:15,540 later on when 2087 01:19:18,590 --> 01:19:17,159 um you know things were working I was 2088 01:19:22,250 --> 01:19:18,600 like three or four years later they got 2089 01:19:25,130 --> 01:19:22,260 married and he was in law school and 2090 01:19:26,270 --> 01:19:25,140 wanted to run for mayor you know and 2091 01:19:28,130 --> 01:19:26,280 stuff like you know he wanted to do 2092 01:19:29,810 --> 01:19:28,140 something he was tired of the way we 2093 01:19:31,070 --> 01:19:29,820 were treated so he wanted to get into a 2094 01:19:32,750 --> 01:19:31,080 position where he did do something nice 2095 01:19:34,010 --> 01:19:32,760 for locals because it was just something 2096 01:19:37,370 --> 01:19:34,020 he thought you know why didn't treat me 2097 01:19:39,530 --> 01:19:37,380 that way right sure so he looks for a 2098 01:19:42,169 --> 01:19:39,540 house to buy 2099 01:19:45,470 --> 01:19:42,179 and guess what house he bought 2100 01:19:48,410 --> 01:19:45,480 or the murder of Peter Riley took place 2101 01:19:52,430 --> 01:19:48,420 oh God yep so I'm thinking to myself why 2102 01:19:54,470 --> 01:19:52,440 would you do that anyway so so yes so 2103 01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:54,480 where this Peter Riley murder took place 2104 01:20:00,110 --> 01:19:57,840 uh was uh like a had an apple orchard a 2105 01:20:01,729 --> 01:20:00,120 nice sized house there was a cottage on 2106 01:20:03,110 --> 01:20:01,739 on the property which used to be an old 2107 01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:03,120 post office which is where she was 2108 01:20:07,850 --> 01:20:05,760 killed and there was a barn where we 2109 01:20:09,649 --> 01:20:07,860 kept our classic cars we had 2110 01:20:11,810 --> 01:20:09,659 you know cars back in the day you know 2111 01:20:13,790 --> 01:20:11,820 nice ones right 2112 01:20:15,669 --> 01:20:13,800 442 Hurst dolls this is for another 2113 01:20:19,610 --> 01:20:15,679 lunch but yeah 2114 01:20:20,810 --> 01:20:19,620 you know so um anyway so why we lived 2115 01:20:22,729 --> 01:20:20,820 there there were times I went into that 2116 01:20:24,530 --> 01:20:22,739 little house I couldn't um I couldn't 2117 01:20:27,229 --> 01:20:24,540 stand it you know I'm very sensitive to 2118 01:20:29,630 --> 01:20:27,239 things and my grandmother swore that she 2119 01:20:32,750 --> 01:20:29,640 saw you know some shadow type activity 2120 01:20:34,970 --> 01:20:32,760 in there and so the Warrens came came in 2121 01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:34,980 and Lorraine Warren came down they stood 2122 01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:36,480 in our driveway 2123 01:20:39,229 --> 01:20:37,920 um we didn't hire them to do anything at 2124 01:20:40,610 --> 01:20:39,239 the time but they came down and I said 2125 01:20:42,290 --> 01:20:40,620 yeah there's definitely something going 2126 01:20:43,130 --> 01:20:42,300 on here so 2127 01:20:45,770 --> 01:20:43,140 um 2128 01:20:48,290 --> 01:20:45,780 yeah you know just all kinds of stuff 2129 01:20:52,010 --> 01:20:48,300 and to answer your your the question you 2130 01:20:54,410 --> 01:20:52,020 had from your uh you know listener 2131 01:20:55,910 --> 01:20:54,420 um also when my son was born and you 2132 01:20:58,490 --> 01:20:55,920 know we had uh 2133 01:21:01,189 --> 01:20:58,500 my wife and I had the same dream 2134 01:21:02,689 --> 01:21:01,199 um we we woke up and we immediately 2135 01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:02,699 thought Chris because he was only two 2136 01:21:07,310 --> 01:21:05,520 months old and so we ran out the door 2137 01:21:08,930 --> 01:21:07,320 because he was in the crib you know next 2138 01:21:11,209 --> 01:21:08,940 to the living room and everything right 2139 01:21:13,490 --> 01:21:11,219 and um as we walked through the living 2140 01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:13,500 room the rocking chair was moving all 2141 01:21:16,970 --> 01:21:14,880 the cabinets in our kitchen were open 2142 01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:16,980 and my son was face down in a pool of 2143 01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:17,760 blood 2144 01:21:21,770 --> 01:21:19,920 she so he had something going on with 2145 01:21:24,229 --> 01:21:21,780 his nut but he was too weak to roll over 2146 01:21:25,689 --> 01:21:24,239 and to this day he's got a hole in his 2147 01:21:27,709 --> 01:21:25,699 sinus cavity 2148 01:21:29,810 --> 01:21:27,719 he was a high school quarterback and 2149 01:21:31,970 --> 01:21:29,820 everything because of the injury he 2150 01:21:34,610 --> 01:21:31,980 would bleed sometimes and and so it was 2151 01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:34,620 tough for him to to see that through but 2152 01:21:40,910 --> 01:21:37,760 so we've had the Kokomo boom connection 2153 01:21:42,590 --> 01:21:40,920 we've had uh you know this incident when 2154 01:21:45,470 --> 01:21:42,600 my son was born we've had that also that 2155 01:21:47,209 --> 01:21:45,480 incident around the time my my brother's 2156 01:21:49,669 --> 01:21:47,219 son was turning six 2157 01:21:52,370 --> 01:21:49,679 that was witnessed by a friend staying 2158 01:21:54,169 --> 01:21:52,380 from Florida yeah um you know and then 2159 01:21:56,030 --> 01:21:54,179 the sensitivity that we felt when we 2160 01:21:57,530 --> 01:21:56,040 went into that home and stuff a lot of 2161 01:21:59,810 --> 01:21:57,540 other people didn't feel it but we did 2162 01:22:02,870 --> 01:21:59,820 and we felt it strongly enough that it 2163 01:22:04,669 --> 01:22:02,880 really bothered us so I don't know if 2164 01:22:06,110 --> 01:22:04,679 what happened and why we're so sensitive 2165 01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:06,120 has to do with 2166 01:22:11,090 --> 01:22:09,360 you know the UFO connection or being in 2167 01:22:13,550 --> 01:22:11,100 that house maybe did we 2168 01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:13,560 bring something back with us you know 2169 01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:15,360 begs the question doesn't it so many 2170 01:22:21,770 --> 01:22:18,719 possibilities but yeah but it's all part 2171 01:22:24,110 --> 01:22:21,780 of us right so so just to wrap this up 2172 01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:24,120 right so I'll be you know someone I'll 2173 01:22:27,290 --> 01:22:25,440 be with somebody and be like oh yeah you 2174 01:22:29,630 --> 01:22:27,300 know I saw UFO or I saw this right I'm 2175 01:22:31,370 --> 01:22:29,640 like yeah whatever or you know uh I had 2176 01:22:32,450 --> 01:22:31,380 activity in my house and there were 2177 01:22:35,229 --> 01:22:32,460 these footsteps and they're like all 2178 01:22:37,850 --> 01:22:35,239 dramatic about it I'm like you know 2179 01:22:40,130 --> 01:22:37,860 that was all the time man you know they 2180 01:22:42,470 --> 01:22:40,140 don't take a much room so that's how 2181 01:22:44,630 --> 01:22:42,480 nonchalant it gets but the minute I talk 2182 01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:44,640 about what happened originally You Know 2183 01:22:49,970 --> 01:22:47,760 It uh it affects me so I don't know I 2184 01:22:51,649 --> 01:22:49,980 mean I I literally I appreciate you 2185 01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:51,659 being able to be so open and honest with 2186 01:22:56,450 --> 01:22:54,000 me on the show today it really does go a 2187 01:22:58,430 --> 01:22:56,460 long way and I appreciate it um because 2188 01:23:00,950 --> 01:22:58,440 I know you know you must have done it so 2189 01:23:03,470 --> 01:23:00,960 many times but yeah I can't thank you 2190 01:23:06,050 --> 01:23:03,480 enough so uh thank you and we'll speak 2191 01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:06,060 again soon you know I hope so good 2192 01:23:09,709 --> 01:23:08,400 connection we've made and so just want 2193 01:23:11,390 --> 01:23:09,719 to say thank you to everybody that's 2194 01:23:13,010 --> 01:23:11,400 been here today I really do appreciate 2195 01:23:14,630 --> 01:23:13,020 everybody in the chat uh everyone 2196 01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:14,640 watching it live and everybody that 2197 01:23:18,590 --> 01:23:16,560 watches and listens after the fact as 2198 01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:18,600 well thank you so much for the continued 2199 01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:21,840 support and I'm going to be back uh next 2200 01:23:26,450 --> 01:23:23,520 week uh where I'll be live with John 2201 01:23:28,310 --> 01:23:26,460 Greenwald Jr so for now guys thank you